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m8, you have some points when you stick to talking about what you know about (booster production), but while I diasgree with Grath and his doom-and-gloom attitude about the retracted changes, Grath is a br0 and you're now making yourself look stupid by talking about things you clearly know nothing about.

Now I know Grath isn't dumb, and I'm pretty sure he knows there is in fact money to be made in the booster business now, and more if/when CCP buffs them, and I'm pretty sure you're being trolled in epic proportions (that, and he's pretty mad in general about the changes being retracted). So you might want to quit while you're ahead and before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

My alliance controls 1/3 of the tech moons in the game, our alliance wallet topped a trillion isk back during like, September. I don't need to be what I already am



I said the profit margins are retardedly small



I actually said that I can't possibly be bothered with making boosters because its stupid boring, mind numbingly so. I did however say that OTHER PEOPLE would if it was worth more isk.



You are out to protect your business, more competition could either put you out of business or make an already boring process even worse.



I called you a parasite because you are, you could care less about the larger game, just so long as your personal game doesn't get disturbed.




All that typing and you can't even follow along when somebody else posts.

2%?? You are wrong,

the proposed new strong pill gave a 20% boost to shield boost amount (the existing strong pill gives 30%). The skill boosted the efficacy of the boosters by 5% per level.

Therefore, at level 5 a 25% boost to booster efficacy would be achieved. 1.25*20=25.
A whole 5% less than the existing strong blue pill.

Standard blue pill was changed to 10% efficacy. 1.25*10=12.5%. This is 7.5% less than the existing standard blue pill.
Diminishing returns mean the lower the grade of the pill the lower the effectiveness of the skill (this may be a good thing) however these arent close to the original values (in eve every percentage point counts).

If the skills returned the booster efficacy to similar levels pre patch I would have been more ameanable to the changes, but if you look at the first page, I did explain it all.

Before you question whether or not people actually looked at this, make sure you yourself are correct, it just undermines your credibility when you pull figures out of the air.

As to your price issue, I made some boosters for a little while, and the profit margin is perfectly fine as it is, though demand isnt fabulous, but to introduce profit margins like you are suggesting is just bad economics, and counter intuitive of the goal to broaden booster usage.

I'm just gonna go ahead and point out the smoking gun for this whole argument: CCP Tallest came back from his vacay and said "all changes were finalized before I went away" then on the same day the reversal of the booster change is announced as "we had a long day discussing this." mmkay?

Because there is a big difference between altering code to be something other than what is presently on TQ or Sisi (it needs to be tested, etc.) and reverting code back to the live version. You don't need testing to simply revert the code back to the way it was.

I understand that, and I read the thread, and most of the people in this thread OBVIOUSLY didn't run any form of actual testing on the changes, they read the changes and either have ulterior motives (those who want more supply before the change comes through) or they simply didn't see the effects on the server (the guy above me who quotes correct math but the math wasn't working the way its depicted).

Then theres a whole group of people who simply hate change, and are having a knee jerk reaction to it. Boosters are dumb as is, they're highly ineffective, you have 3 slots for boosters but at max skills, you're literally asking the computer to pick a number at random to see if you get an effect, there is no math, its just hope, and taking all 3 boosters is akin to just self destructing your ship because you'd be under the burden of SO many penalties at once.

I mean, imagine having 3 fitting slots on your ship, and each time you fit a module theres a random chance that you get some drastic ******** side effect? How stupid is that? Theres no way to completely mitigate it, theres no reason to have 3 booster slots period, as only the suicidal retards would ever try to take more than one.


EDIT: Who wants to bet 2012 ends without a change to boosters? I've got isk, and if Chribba's not too mad about his house we have a 3rd party.

You effectively have put this in the same basket as AF's (things that will never actually get fixed or changed in any way), and with it, you condem Low Sec and 0.0 to another 6 months of stagnation and more gutter trash clambering to do high sec incursions.

Sometimes its just better to shut up and take the change because their actually changing things, instead of working on sparkly vampires or a PS3 game that nobody cares about.

Mark my words, 2012, the whole year.

Actually, you can jumpclone into a fresh body that is side effect free. As for side effects + greater effectiveness, or no side effects and less boost, its really just a subjective opinion, there isn't a "right" or "wrong" about that one.

Many many pilots have stepped forward already and talked about the number of pilots using these with minimal side effects, and moderating them with skills and implants. Also, as has been explained, there are combinations of ships and boosters where some of the side effects are more or less irrelevant. These combined tactics are enough to keep a good number of pilots popping pills on a regular basis, with demand for all three strengths existing on the black market if not always on the regular market.

Thats not to say there aren't those like yourself and Grath that have had horrible luck with them, its just that it swings both ways and there are testimonials to support both viewpoints.

I know jumpcloning isn't always feasible, and I certainly hope pilots aren't jumping into distant clones just to evade side effects. This is probably unlikely to be taken advantage of much, I was just trying to point out you're not completely stuck if you get borked on a bad trip.

From my own experience and those that I know that frequently use them, pills are usually popped when you need them the most - much like overheating. Because it carries risk, it must be done sparingly. For the most part, they are emergency measures, not preemptive things a whole fleet would down at once. This is a common misunderstanding.

For example, you wouldn't normally pop a Blue Pill than go for a roam. You'd carry it in you cargo hold and than pop it when you're already sustaining fire, and your tank isn't holding. If there's no alpha sniper ships on the field, and it all boils down to the HP/s you can absorb, that extra tanking boost per cycle is more important than your EHP if you're in a push-pull kind of fight.

Same with X-instinct - normally you wouldn't pop and roam, but swallow if you're attacking a large target and taking more damage than you'd like.

Grath mentioned multiple boosters at once - I know a few maelstrom pilots that use a crystal set, and will pop a Strong Blue pill when they can't tank all the incoming damage with the implants alone. On top of that, they will pop a Drop booster to increase the tracking of the guns, since they are more or less stationary and the Drop enables them to hit stuff they otherwise couldn't as they hunker down and engage an entire enemy gang. Sometimes they'll get a side effect, but the sheer amount of damage they can dish out and absorb is worth it to them. If they're lucky, they turn into gods for 60 minutes or maybe just get hit with a speed nerf or something that may not even matter to such a fit.

Again, its really not a matter of broken or not, its totally a personal preference thing. Some players just honestly think the boosts are worth rolling the dice for, and do so on a regular basis. Other's don't, and that's fine too.

Dice roll is dumb, I agree.

So is attribute buffs with no penalties other than a wallet drain. This was a stupid fix.

Manageable addition mechanics would be cool.

So you would use all 3 booster slots in a fight?