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Summer Expansion Speculation Thread

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#21 - 2014-02-15 14:39:11 UTC
Hiton Kado wrote:
do you think we will finally will see real new content (new content as in entirely new "profession" or new thing to do in EVE)?


Like the Hacking Game ? God that was so brilliant. Roll

Speculate away, but be sure to sprinkle on top a good giant dose of disappointment. That's from 2 years of learned experience most indeed.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#22 - 2014-02-15 14:40:45 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
TheButcherPete wrote:
Tweak cloaks so people can't sit there for weeks without being found. This is a silly mechanic.


If they're really AFK, what damage are they causing?


Overload of the paranoia circuits.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#23 - 2014-02-15 14:50:19 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Walking in stations please.


You get a like for asking for it. But the reality is CCP has spread themselves too thin for us to get any decent content any time soon. Maybe if they just spent the Valkyrie resources on Avatar content instead of wasting it as an exclusive for a device that isn't even out yet and already has competition.

The rift is open source hardware. Means the complete instructions for making one are public and anyone can make, distribute or sell anything made from those instruction. It will take a metaphorical 5 minutes before Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo begin making their own cheaper, subsidised and more popular version that Valkyrie wont work on. Well done CCP, well ******* done.

Ps: I am not bitter at all.
Hiton Kado
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-02-15 14:50:21 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Hiton Kado wrote:
do you think we will finally will see real new content (new content as in entirely new "profession" or new thing to do in EVE)?


Like the Hacking Game ?

No, not like the hacking game. This already existed before Odyssey, just in a different way. I'm wondering about something completely new.
Spurty
#25 - 2014-02-15 15:03:28 UTC
I'd love to see more mobile structures and hacking skills and politics added to standings.

Mobile jump beacon echo - can be deployed off Jump bridged and used to lure jump bridge pilots away from the pos
Remote autopilot hacking skill - flags you but if successful you can a) see pilots auto pilot route and B) modify it
Rewrite standings code as whatever it's original intent was, it has been long abused.
Some tools to start chipping away at local intel as well.

Stuff that shakes up the status quo a bit

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2014-02-15 15:23:34 UTC
Hiton Kado wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Hiton Kado wrote:
do you think we will finally will see real new content (new content as in entirely new "profession" or new thing to do in EVE)?


Like the Hacking Game ?

No, not like the hacking game. This already existed before Odyssey, just in a different way..



I'm afraid you are going to have to enlighten us who are unwashed. What are you even talking about ????

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#27 - 2014-02-15 15:42:05 UTC
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Walking in stations please.


You get a like for asking for it. But the reality is CCP has spread themselves too thin for us to get any decent content any time soon. Maybe if they just spent the Valkyrie resources on Avatar content instead of wasting it as an exclusive for a device that isn't even out yet and already has competition.

The rift is open source hardware. Means the complete instructions for making one are public and anyone can make, distribute or sell anything made from those instruction. It will take a metaphorical 5 minutes before Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo begin making their own cheaper, subsidised and more popular version that Valkyrie wont work on. Well done CCP, well ******* done.

Ps: I am not bitter at all.



If its that similar im sure Valk could be tweaked for use on it if they use even close to the specs that the rift uses
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#28 - 2014-02-15 16:04:56 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Why do we need 'new' content? This isn't a traditional MMO that makes some 'new' content that makes every single old piece of content obsolete. Everything stays relevant in EVE. So the amount of relevant content doesn't decrease by an expansion.


So you are saying you don't want a new expansion?

Guess that makes CCP's job easier.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#29 - 2014-02-15 16:09:29 UTC
More Drake

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#30 - 2014-02-15 16:24:48 UTC
The staff at CCP will consume magic mushrooms and arrive at the realisation that the vast majority of expansion content has either been:

a) Detrimental to the economy.
b) Not very good or not required.
c) Overpowered.

As the haze in their minds begins to clear CCP Guard will tell everyone to start working on fixing Corporation & Alliance Roles & Permissions with a view to securing multi-member safe use of POS modules. CCP Guard will then grin maniacally as what he has ordered comes to pass. Big smile

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Torijace
The Upside Down
#31 - 2014-02-15 17:19:59 UTC
Sov mechanics that actually allow the little guy to take some of the empty null. An industry revamp that makes building stuff not such a crazy click fest? a re-balance on force projection?
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#32 - 2014-02-15 17:20:41 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Walking in stations please.

Only if I can walk over to, point and laugh at, the dusties.
Elizabeth Brown
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-02-15 17:23:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Brown
Icarus Able wrote:
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:

The rift is open source hardware. Means the complete instructions for making one are public and anyone can make, distribute or sell anything made from those instruction. It will take a metaphorical 5 minutes before Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo begin making their own cheaper, subsidised and more popular version that Valkyrie wont work on. Well done CCP, well ******* done.

Ps: I am not bitter at all.



If its that similar im sure Valk could be tweaked for use on it if they use even close to the specs that the rift uses


Well then CCP will have to back-track some. Let's hope they've not signed anything because they have publicly declared it exclusive to the Rift. Exclusive means exclusive I am afraid.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-02-05-eve-valkyrie-is-an-exclusive-oculus-rift-launch-title
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#34 - 2014-02-15 17:27:01 UTC
Small piecemeal changes and a bunch of words about how It is going to happen ~soon~ to interest you just enough to keep subscribing.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-02-15 17:34:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Hiton Kado wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Why do we need 'new' content? This isn't a traditional MMO that makes some 'new' content that makes every single old piece of content obsolete. Everything stays relevant in EVE. So the amount of relevant content doesn't decrease by an expansion.

So, in your opinion the introduction of for example wormhole space and all related features was a waste of development time and should have been spent on reiterating older features?


The introduction of wormholes didn't make any other part of the game obsolete. I believe the OP was trying to say you don't have a power creep like you have in games like Everquest or World of Warcraft.

In those games you are in a constant cycle of replacing equipment as you level up. There are places in the game that get left behind for newer and shinier areas of the game as new content is added.
Billy Hix
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#36 - 2014-02-15 17:59:47 UTC
I would like to see them combine the Mobile Modules into a POS.

Power Core S/M/L
Shield Generator S/M/L
And all the other crap that you need in a POS.

each one would be designed like Lego so you can clip them together however you want.

Saying that CCP have only been working on POS for a year or 2. After Hilmars announcement that they still haven't decided what sort of a game WoD is going to be be after 8 years, I don't think we have much hope.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#37 - 2014-02-15 18:08:01 UTC
Hiton Kado wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Why do we need 'new' content? This isn't a traditional MMO that makes some 'new' content that makes every single old piece of content obsolete. Everything stays relevant in EVE. So the amount of relevant content doesn't decrease by an expansion.

So, in your opinion the introduction of for example wormhole space and all related features was a waste of development time and should have been spent on reiterating older features?


Apocrypha was an oustanding expansion concept, but it also took a level of crunch effort that's not realistically repeatable now. And it laid up a store of problems that contributed to a lot of the grief in the following :18 months:

Realistically, we're not going to see another Apocrypha class expansion released in a single 6 month cycle.

CCP Seagull laid out her vision at fanfest last year in the keynote speech.. That's what's going to happen. Rubicon, Odyssey, and the expansions that follow them will all be building up to that. CCP have a "to do" list that needs to be completed before we can see that vision of player built stargates and new space finally realised, and they're on it. For exapmple, one of those items is ship balancing, and that project has nearly completed its first iteration. Another was exploration, and that was addressed in the last expansion. There are other items of similar magnitude, and I'm sure that you can probably guess most or all of them if you think about what still needs doing. Meanwhile, CCP are gradually introducing the new tools that will be part of that vision, such as the deployables.

If CCP deliver what they showed us, then a lot of people engaged in everyday EVE activities are going to be very happy with the summer expansion. People expecting another "Apocrypha" will be disappointed. They're always going to be disaapointed. I think if CCP execute it well, it'll be more like another "Retribution".

And don't forget that a significant percentage of the next expansion will be delivered in point releases; the days of giant expansion changelogs and patchnotes are over. (It's worth remembering that we haven't even had all of Rubicon yet!) There is an emphasis on making sure that the core game experiences are good, and gradually infiltrating new features rather than a sudden dramatic "OH WOW" change as we got in Apocrypha.

I know it's not as exciting to anticipate, and it sure does make the marketing guys job harder, but it's a better and more productive way to develop the game. It's a change that the players begged CCP for years to make.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-02-15 18:28:18 UTC
Billy Hix wrote:
I would like to see them combine the Mobile Modules into a POS.

Power Core S/M/L
Shield Generator S/M/L
And all the other crap that you need in a POS.

each one would be designed like Lego so you can clip them together however you want.

Saying that CCP have only been working on POS for a year or 2. After Hilmars announcement that they still haven't decided what sort of a game WoD is going to be be after 8 years, I don't think we have much hope.


Nah, just keep the current style but force a CSAA to eat all the PG and CPU of a POS with no option for defenses.
Hiton Kado
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-02-15 18:51:49 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hiton Kado wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Why do we need 'new' content? This isn't a traditional MMO that makes some 'new' content that makes every single old piece of content obsolete. Everything stays relevant in EVE. So the amount of relevant content doesn't decrease by an expansion.

So, in your opinion the introduction of for example wormhole space and all related features was a waste of development time and should have been spent on reiterating older features?


Apocrypha was an oustanding expansion concept, but it also took a level of crunch effort that's not realistically repeatable now. And it laid up a store of problems that contributed to a lot of the grief in the following :18 months:

Realistically, we're not going to see another Apocrypha class expansion released in a single 6 month cycle.

CCP Seagull laid out her vision at fanfest last year in the keynote speech.. That's what's going to happen. Rubicon, Odyssey, and the expansions that follow them will all be building up to that. CCP have a "to do" list that needs to be completed before we can see that vision of player built stargates and new space finally realised, and they're on it. For exapmple, one of those items is ship balancing, and that project has nearly completed its first iteration. Another was exploration, and that was addressed in the last expansion. There are other items of similar magnitude, and I'm sure that you can probably guess most or all of them if you think about what still needs doing. Meanwhile, CCP are gradually introducing the new tools that will be part of that vision, such as the deployables.

If CCP deliver what they showed us, then a lot of people engaged in everyday EVE activities are going to be very happy with the summer expansion. People expecting another "Apocrypha" will be disappointed. They're always going to be disaapointed. I think if CCP execute it well, it'll be more like another "Retribution".

And don't forget that a significant percentage of the next expansion will be delivered in point releases; the days of giant expansion changelogs and patchnotes are over. (It's worth remembering that we haven't even had all of Rubicon yet!) There is an emphasis on making sure that the core game experiences are good, and gradually infiltrating new features rather than a sudden dramatic "OH WOW" change as we got in Apocrypha.

I know it's not as exciting to anticipate, and it sure does make the marketing guys job harder, but it's a better and more productive way to develop the game. It's a change that the players begged CCP for years to make.

Okay, maybe wormholes was an extreme example. I understand that Apocrypha was kind of a one time thing. But something of the size of Incursions maybe?
Almethea
Trans Stellar Express
#40 - 2014-02-15 19:16:50 UTC
"balancing 3% here, 2% there
nerf that and that and also that"

taadaa >> new expansion

there's so many thing to fix in eve.... and they fix forum ! GJ! but ok i like it !

CCP Fozzie : AFK cloaking, however, is an entirely social form of power