These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Out of Pod Experience

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Dating in Ontario(around Toronto) SUCKS!(Semi Rant)

Author
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-02-14 21:33:13 UTC
Boys, before your mass exodus to Latin America, remember to leave the girls all your EVE stuffs.

/蘭

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2014-02-15 00:27:52 UTC
XNCReman
Soviet Directorate of Eve
#63 - 2014-02-15 08:34:08 UTC
Latin America has High speed internet.... Hmm, I should post photos of my abs, i'm starting to get a 6 pack since I been working out the last 2 months:P

Lol, Brujo Loco, wheres the part where I get Chloroformed and my organs end up on eBay? Most European women I have come across don't act the same as Canadian women you can actually have a conversation with them. a lot of it not even really does not have to do with feminism, its just women copying bad examples off tv and magazines, and a lot of them seem to want that "Victorian\chivalry" idea of a relationship(If you're familiar with the Victorian era, chivalry was just a fiction)

I have played with the idea of going South of the Equator, Brazil or Argentina in particular, i'm more attracted to latin women in general. Only issue I see is I'm Atheist, I have no issues with people being religious, I know many people in Latin America are deeply religious, another issue is, I don't want to get married or really believe in it, having i'm open to having Children and a long term partner, just not the marriage part. I noticed most women my age are looking to get married and start having children(because their friends are doing it)

How much money you have is an interesting thing, if I had millions of dollars, I would not tell the women how much I have for as long as possible. I noticed that a lot of women look for a man who has a high income level(Good paying Blue collar jobs are a nono with them t) or high-income potential, 4 year university degree and must have found him self in Europe(you mite as well hand them a resume), just remember, having a blue collar job, high school education and not being 40,000 dollars in dept from university and traveling to Europe wont cut it. Then I ask my self, Would a relationship with a women like that be Worth it?, Whats she really like on the inside, Is this going to be a very very one sided relationship, instead of a equal balance relationship?
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#64 - 2014-02-15 08:51:45 UTC
By doing all the right things you'll probably find you're your own worst enemy.

Get some tattoos, lose a few teeth, spend a few months in prison.

You'll be amazed the amount of gorgeous, intelligent, yet short-sighted women that go for the 'bad boy' thing.

One of my jobs sees me working in our city courts and it's something we witness daily. If I had a dollar for every time one of us said "What the **** is she doing with him?" then I wouldn't need to work in that hole to begin with. Heck, those guys are earning more than we are anyway on their unemployment benefits, substituted with some casual drug dealing.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2014-02-15 12:54:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
XNCReman wrote:
Latin America has High speed internet.... Hmm, I should post photos of my abs, i'm starting to get a 6 pack since I been working out the last 2 months:P

How much money you have is an interesting thing, if I had millions of dollars, I would not tell the women how much I have for as long as possible. I noticed that a lot of women look for a man who has a high income level(Good paying Blue collar jobs are a nono with them t) or high-income potential, 4 year university degree and must have found him self in Europe(you mite as well hand them a resume), just remember, having a blue collar job, high school education and not being 40,000 dollars in dept from university and traveling to Europe wont cut it. Then I ask my self, Would a relationship with a women like that be Worth it?, Whats she really like on the inside, Is this going to be a very very one sided relationship, instead of a equal balance relationship?

if you're ready to, consider whether it's even worth the effort to date, or be with someone. a lot of people decide to put it off for the sake of their lifestyle. having responded to your questions I want to say that I don't think it's something I need in my life. but I also don't trust people when they're out of my sight, and I only depend on people for things that I can verify. this is very cynical, and it's what I believe: the only person who has your best interest in mind is you.

Erica, 'bad boy' happens when mommy issue archetype and daddy issue archetype find each other. they satisfy each other's needs and it's not one-way like people think. act like a child and you'll find a mommy figure, etc.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#66 - 2014-02-15 15:24:11 UTC
XNCReman wrote:
Latin America has High speed internet.... Hmm, I should post photos of my abs, i'm starting to get a 6 pack since I been working out the last 2 months:P

Lol, Brujo Loco, wheres the part where I get Chloroformed and my organs end up on eBay? Most European women I have come across don't act the same as Canadian women you can actually have a conversation with them. a lot of it not even really does not have to do with feminism, its just women copying bad examples off tv and magazines, and a lot of them seem to want that "Victorian\chivalry" idea of a relationship(If you're familiar with the Victorian era, chivalry was just a fiction)

I have played with the idea of going South of the Equator, Brazil or Argentina in particular, i'm more attracted to latin women in general. Only issue I see is I'm Atheist, I have no issues with people being religious, I know many people in Latin America are deeply religious, another issue is, I don't want to get married or really believe in it, having i'm open to having Children and a long term partner, just not the marriage part. I noticed most women my age are looking to get married and start having children(because their friends are doing it)

How much money you have is an interesting thing, if I had millions of dollars, I would not tell the women how much I have for as long as possible. I noticed that a lot of women look for a man who has a high income level(Good paying Blue collar jobs are a nono with them t) or high-income potential, 4 year university degree and must have found him self in Europe(you mite as well hand them a resume), just remember, having a blue collar job, high school education and not being 40,000 dollars in dept from university and traveling to Europe wont cut it. Then I ask my self, Would a relationship with a women like that be Worth it?, Whats she really like on the inside, Is this going to be a very very one sided relationship, instead of a equal balance relationship?

I work with Argentinians, Peruvians and Colombians. They might be Christian by family heritage, but theyre not Bible-thumpers about it. Not rigid or fanatical, I mean. Pretty easy-going about it.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#67 - 2014-02-15 19:15:26 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:

I work with Argentinians, Peruvians and Colombians. They might be Christian by family heritage, but theyre not Bible-thumpers about it. Not rigid or fanatical, I mean. Pretty easy-going about it.


This is more or less what I was about to say in reply to OP.

I never understood this media induced picture of religious people being "bible thumping anti everything" crowd.

Down here we are all religious and bible thumpers are very rare.

You can be as atheist as you want down here, just dont be the Science book thumping type, everyone is pretty chill with such issues down here, we have a lot of issues to worry about than worry about that XD

You can find relaxed attitudes regarding marriage down here too, fact is, women living with men under "concubinato" (living together but not married, but legally protected specially when kids are around) is actually pretty common.

Having kids down here is different to other countries, most women have them very very young. So it is a highly probable you will find a partner that has kids already (depending on your age)

Go South Friend!

Dont be afraid of it !

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

XNCReman
Soviet Directorate of Eve
#68 - 2014-02-15 22:15:36 UTC  |  Edited by: XNCReman
Erica Dusette wrote:
By doing all the right things you'll probably find you're your own worst enemy.

Get some tattoos, lose a few teeth, spend a few months in prison.

You'll be amazed the amount of gorgeous, intelligent, yet short-sighted women that go for the 'bad boy' thing.

One of my jobs sees me working in our city courts and it's something we witness daily. If I had a dollar for every time one of us said "What the **** is she doing with him?" then I wouldn't need to work in that hole to begin with. Heck, those guys are earning more than we are anyway on their unemployment benefits, substituted with some casual drug dealing.



Most women who go for guys like that because they want to change them. I should try out my acting\cosplay skills and see if any women fall for it...be an entertaining social experiment

Women who have children all ready do no bother me at all, allready playing with the idea of going south, for a while. Then again, I live in Ontario so I should not have to look for far, I should start hanging around an immigration Canada office.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#69 - 2014-02-16 08:49:16 UTC
Well if there's one thing that matters, no matter what your opinion, do not allow yourself to be shamed out of having it.

I find this website has lots of stuff I could have written in my 20s

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#70 - 2014-02-16 14:06:12 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Well if there's one thing that matters, no matter what your opinion, do not allow yourself to be shamed out of having it.

I find this website has lots of stuff I could have written in my 20s


love.that damn site. awesome. granted, dangerous for someone who doesn't have a filter of the extremist stuff, but wow.

that site is like a honing stone. keeps you sharp
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-02-17 01:50:41 UTC
XNCReman wrote:
So yeah, getting a date around Toronto Ontario(anywhere with in a hour or two drive from this **** hole city) is impossible.

In conclusion, Canadian women are stuck up and have unrealistic standards, and if you don't have a very large social network to meet women through, you're ******, and likely to end up with first women who willing to date you even though your not a good match with her, honestly a real doll have more personality when a Canadian women does.


In conclusion, as a fellow Canadian, I will point out how you failed on two levels.

One, dating in Toronto -- what were you thinking ? The vast majority of Torontonians are self-entitled gits, with no real desire to take anyone seriously other than themselves.

Two, see above.

Escape now, while you still can.

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#72 - 2014-02-17 02:53:59 UTC
i haven't thought about it in a while, so I asked myself if i'm wrong for adopting this outlook when there are very decent people out there. I concluded 3 things

the "good girl" is a nice idea, and a sweet sentiment for her to have, but people are very aware when other people are having fun, and no one wants to miss out. I think this is what leads to short bouts of craziness, which fits in my schedule Lol and/so i'm not sure if it's possible for a person to be "always good."

I don't think there's a "right" way to be. just recognize the ones who are receptive to what you have to offer.

i'm not sure i have a choice at this point, between being good or indecent. pretty sure my issues run too deep to change them. ...without psychotherapy or hypnosis.



there's no right or wrong, and you can get away with a lot when you look good
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2014-02-17 05:49:28 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
i'm not sure i have a choice at this point, between being good or indecent. pretty sure my issues run too deep to change them. ...without psychotherapy or hypnosis.

I think that thinking of yourself as broken is not a good place to start, if interacting with other people is your goal. I think interaction is like anything else in live (including EVE). You don't learn the really valuable lessons without taking risks, and the more you end up doing it the more you feel confident that you want to do it again.

There is of course a rut you can get stuck in, where the more you do something, the more negative experiences you have.. but very few individuals would really help you out of a negative spiral like that. But what's the alternative? Not try interacting with people at all?

/蘭

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#74 - 2014-02-17 08:39:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
you jumped to a conclusion there, but that's probably my fault for leaving room for interpretation.

are you familiar with attachment styles. I'm pretty sure i qualify as dismissive-avoidant.

how that translates into behavior is: I don't want to buy, but I still like to touch.



ibtl
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#75 - 2014-02-17 15:55:50 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
you jumped to a conclusion there, but that's probably my fault for leaving room for interpretation.

are you familiar with attachment styles. I'm pretty sure i qualify as dismissive-avoidant.

how that translates into behavior is: I don't want to buy, but I still like to touch.



ibtl

Self-awareness FTW! If people look at their own behavior, they can keep developing and evolving. One can make oneself into the person one wants to be. But if you never look at your own behavior, there's no chance of ever developing. (Isn't it amazing how many people seem fall into that category?)
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#76 - 2014-02-17 22:38:16 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Well if there's one thing that matters, no matter what your opinion, do not allow yourself to be shamed out of having it.

I find this website has lots of stuff I could have written in my 20s



Man love that website ... just LOVE it Big smile

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#77 - 2014-02-17 23:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Brujo Loco
Khergit Deserters wrote:


Self-awareness FTW! If people look at their own behavior, they can keep developing and evolving. One can make oneself into the person one wants to be. But if you never look at your own behavior, there's no chance of ever developing. (Isn't it amazing how many people seem fall into that category?)



Because it´s a modern mantra to accept yourself as you are and people have to endure it or else, which instead of creating "unique" people just throws a lot of human mass into a common denomination in the lowest end of the spectrum.

I have honestly seen more positive change in people´s attitudes (and my own) by being confronted on the spot and giving time to understand qualities people that care about you see wrong.

Not only is a certain level of external reliance/support needed to improve, it is essential to the growth of mankind.

Modern society instead promotes isolationism and the worst possible form of social bonding, sectarianism

It´s not that we need to create a racial melting pot of cultures to erase prior tribal beliefs, it´s more of a simple need of the world to feel kinship with other fellow men, but every single thing today is geared to divide, promote conflict and alienate yourself.

During my College years I remember delving deeply into the Works of Melvin Seeman and even asking the Professor for copies of his work to be cited in personal projects.

His works are the basis points for understanding the ailments of most modern men in first world countries and by cascade into those of the "third world" that despite having different necessities face some of these.

And why I cite him? for his contributions into the ever engrossing concept of Social Alienation , where many others keep adding to this field of study.

It is my personal belief a basis point for understanding most of modern inadequacies can be found within the Paradigm of the Anomie.

In short, we need other people to keep us grounded, people that can actively help us. Modern society makes this difficult and we need new paradigms to keep us healthy.

Just my personal thoughts and I believe I digressed a bit. But I am tired so I let myself go Big smile

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2014-02-17 23:31:12 UTC
I saw a mom today whose looks were timeless. truly someone a guy could grow old with. I don't see ones like that very often. she was gorgeous like, down to the bone structure. I suppose you marry those and keep them. Lol

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the "just dating" arrangement. it's just too convenient. I have some thoughts about why 'it doesn't work like that' but for those ideas to become clear I need to ruminate on it a while. The reason I call it convenient is it combines the good stuff at the beginning with the consistency of commitment. a lot of people get what they want by stringing people along. but I think there's a better way that doesn't involve letting people down, that just takes a bit of Girl-Fu.

maybe i'm missing something, and making too many assumptions....

OP what do you mean by 'dating', like what does the schedule look like on a daily/weekly/monthly scale, and do you see yourself dating more than one person at a time?

maybe there's a demographic you should be looking for.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#79 - 2014-02-17 23:44:04 UTC
In my experience (and trust me you don't want the whole story lest you end up holding a gun in your mouth wishing I would shut up) the thing you have to be most concerned for are the abusers.

Yeah. Abusers.


When we hear that word, the vernacular and context tends to imply "some redneck who gets drunk and beats up the wife". And so, being somewhat conditioned or one-sided, if the situation does not involve a redneck getting routinely drunk and beating up the wife, wearing a sleeveless shirt and all that - we don't "see" the abuse.

But what I have found is that abused women WILL abuse, especially if their dad did the abuse, and if the abuse was towards their mother. I don't care what anybody says, what your parents imprint on you during your formative years is how you are hardwired and if that hardwiring is wrong, then you will spend your entire life having to fight it.

Funny thing is, women don't really end up like their dads in overall habits and interest because of a gender and generational gap, so they can swear up and down that they are not like their fathers.

But they will be, the same "template" will be there.

And this you have to watch out for. I mean, you have to set up a radar system intended to find it. Because this likes to sneak up on the radar, and we live in a society where having breasts automatically means you are faultless in all relationship matters.

So you end up either being abused, and even worse, enabling your own abuse. And the funny part is you may even become resentful without really knowing why, and if you hide from it out of fear of "never getting laid again" or "dying alone" you will reach a day when you are ready to burn the bridge while still on it.

And all that because when a woman spurns men, she's "empowered" or something but if a man prefers a beer over drama, he's a "loser".

So some of you younger ones out there, take it from a scarred old dog. Don't put up with crap. Period. That's why I posted that link - because if I had read stuff like that when I was say 19 or 20, I would have at least had a perspective on things that were not one-sided against my best interests. I had to learn the hard way. It's more than taxing on one's spirit: I have lost and abandoned equipment (read: money) from Germany to Seattle on this trail of "from one ditch-witch to the next".

Tonight I'm making some beer.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

XNCReman
Soviet Directorate of Eve
#80 - 2014-02-18 01:01:22 UTC  |  Edited by: XNCReman
A lot of women are brought up that they can get away with anything. And statistically women are just as abusive as men are, you don't hear about it. And its more difficult for a man to get out of an abusive marriage because the divorce courts are very sexist and side with the women.

My friends dad is in a situation were he can't divorce his abusive wife, because he would lose his house, car, probably lose a fair chunk of his paycheck to alimony and have nothing to live on after words... Its very very very sad seeing a person who has had their spirit broken.

FYI: Its not just Toronto, its most of Ontario and BC is not much better, people are just SMUG, and they don't have anything really going for them to warrant being smug(Driving a BMW does not warrant being smug, driving a Bentley does), unless they play eve-online. Leaving while I still can is an option, though I’m settled down in a good paying job and having a very small family makes it difficult.