These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

SOE Nestor - trash?

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Karle Tabot
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-02-15 00:34:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Karle Tabot
Onictus wrote:
Karle Tabot wrote:
If the marketplace determines they are overpriced, their price is going to fall unless CCP causes them to be bought at the inflated prices.

My brief time in the game has been sufficient to realize that the worst time to buy a new "hawked" item is right after it has been introduced. The value naturally falls over time after they are introduced into the game, unless the players under-estimated the value of the ship. That seems unlikely in the case of the Nestor.



You have never heard of opportunity cost have you?


It is hard to envision the applicability of opportunity cost in respect to the Nestor when the alternatives are not only better, but cheaper, and nothing is lost at current prices by choosing another cheaper ship.

I will edit to add: Other than the thrill of being the owner of/flying the newest ship in the game.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-02-15 00:38:51 UTC
Karle Tabot wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Karle Tabot wrote:
If the marketplace determines they are overpriced, their price is going to fall unless CCP causes them to be bought at the inflated prices.

My brief time in the game has been sufficient to realize that the worst time to buy a new "hawked" item is right after it has been introduced. The value naturally falls over time after they are introduced into the game, unless the players under-estimated the value of the ship. That seems unlikely in the case of the Nestor.



You have never heard of opportunity cost have you?


It is hard to envision the applicability of opportunity cost in respect to the Nestor when the alternatives are not only better, but cheaper, and nothing is lost at current prices by choosing another cheaper ship.

I will edit to add: Other than the thrill of being the owner of/flying the newest ship in the game.


Someone has to build them, as soon as the price goes under 2000isk/LP its more worth MY time to sell probes or implants.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-02-15 00:56:25 UTC
Karle Tabot wrote:
If the marketplace determines they are overpriced, their price is going to fall unless CCP causes them to be bought at the inflated prices.

My brief time in the game has been sufficient to realize that the worst time to buy a new "hawked" item is right after it has been introduced. The value naturally falls over time after they are introduced into the game, unless the players under-estimated the value of the ship. That seems unlikely in the case of the Nestor.



1. No sane persons will build Nestors and sell them for 500 mill when the same SOE LP could fetch 1.5 bill or more as probes or virtuals.

2. Buffing the Nestor so it is actually worth as much a a carrier would be insanely OP

Hence this announcement from CCP Rise :

---> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=317352
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-02-15 01:03:08 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Karle Tabot wrote:
If the marketplace determines they are overpriced, their price is going to fall unless CCP causes them to be bought at the inflated prices.

My brief time in the game has been sufficient to realize that the worst time to buy a new "hawked" item is right after it has been introduced. The value naturally falls over time after they are introduced into the game, unless the players under-estimated the value of the ship. That seems unlikely in the case of the Nestor.



1. No sane persons will build Nestors and sell them for 500 mill when the same SOE LP could fetch 1.5 bill or more as probes or virtuals.

2. Buffing the Nestor so it is actually worth as much a a carrier would be insanely OP

Hence this announcement from CCP Rise :

---> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=317352



Announcement or no, the Nestor is still ****.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#25 - 2014-02-15 01:10:56 UTC
deathghost wrote:
ccp knows the nester sux but people in Iceland have this "I will not admit Im wrong" thing going on and " I will not apologize for anything" it is their culture. Has anybody ever heard ccp say you guys are right we ****** up, sorry guys? But its cool nobody is gonna fly the thing so no big deal


Wouldn't it be silly if all ships in the same class are similar in performance? Learn how to use the new battleship and use it to your advantage.
Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#26 - 2014-02-15 01:15:50 UTC
Maybe the problem is the LP cost is just too. It is driving the cost on market, for subpar ship in my most if not all pilots opinions.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-02-15 01:16:27 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
deathghost wrote:
ccp knows the nester sux but people in Iceland have this "I will not admit Im wrong" thing going on and " I will not apologize for anything" it is their culture. Has anybody ever heard ccp say you guys are right we ****** up, sorry guys? But its cool nobody is gonna fly the thing so no big deal


Wouldn't it be silly if all ships in the same class are similar in performance? Learn how to use the new battleship and use it to your advantage.


Why when I can fly a pair of domi's to my advantage for a 1/3 of the build price.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-02-15 01:26:34 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
deathghost wrote:
ccp knows the nester sux but people in Iceland have this "I will not admit Im wrong" thing going on and " I will not apologize for anything" it is their culture. Has anybody ever heard ccp say you guys are right we ****** up, sorry guys? But its cool nobody is gonna fly the thing so no big deal


Wouldn't it be silly if all ships in the same class are similar in performance? Learn how to use the new battleship and use it to your advantage.



Tell me how would you use a 1.5bil battleship that performs worse then a domi please.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#29 - 2014-02-15 01:32:38 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
deathghost wrote:
ccp knows the nester sux but people in Iceland have this "I will not admit Im wrong" thing going on and " I will not apologize for anything" it is their culture. Has anybody ever heard ccp say you guys are right we ****** up, sorry guys? But its cool nobody is gonna fly the thing so no big deal


Wouldn't it be silly if all ships in the same class are similar in performance? Learn how to use the new battleship and use it to your advantage.



Tell me how would you use a 1.5bil battleship that performs worse then a domi please.


... have it blown up in a silly roam as bait with 30+ t1 frigates to catch a single t3 cruiser ...
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#30 - 2014-02-15 01:33:29 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
deathghost wrote:
ccp knows the nester sux but people in Iceland have this "I will not admit Im wrong" thing going on and " I will not apologize for anything" it is their culture. Has anybody ever heard ccp say you guys are right we ****** up, sorry guys? But its cool nobody is gonna fly the thing so no big deal


Wouldn't it be silly if all ships in the same class are similar in performance? Learn how to use the new battleship and use it to your advantage.


Why when I can fly a pair of domi's to my advantage for a 1/3 of the build price.


Because you only think of results instead of entertainment.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-02-15 01:45:59 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Batelle wrote:

As for "why no covops cloak" the answer is because it is a battleship. This is sufficient enough.


Why? why are battleships special? explain please.

Who knows. I think its just because they're called battleships :)

Tengu can covert ops cloak, be immune to bubbles, go to ratting site, refit subs, put out more equal dps to the Nestor, but everything else is vastly improved, sig radius, scan res, tank, .... list goes on.

Same with Blops "If Blops could warp cloaked it would be OP!" but the reality is the T3's are so much better in terms of real applied DPS and everything else including tank.

People are lemmings, they don't think for themselves, not objectively anyway.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#32 - 2014-02-15 02:05:04 UTC
Batelle wrote:

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Batelle wrote:

As for "why no covops cloak" the answer is because it is a battleship. This is sufficient enough.

Why? why are battleships special? explain please.

Yes, because they're special. Which is also the reason CCP cited when saying they would never give any battleship hac-level resistances.

That doesn't mean CCP are right, given the lack of BS's being used in PvP at anything under large fleet level it would actually strongly suggest they are wrong.
People are just terrified at the idea of a BS useful without a massive fleet. Plenty of examples were given in the initial Nestor thread as to why a Cov Ops BS would not be totally OP.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-02-15 02:08:18 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Tengu can covert ops cloak, be immune to bubbles, go to ratting site, refit subs, put out more equal dps to the Nestor, but everything else is vastly improved, sig radius, scan res, tank, .... list goes on.

That's cute and all up until the point where someone notices a mobile depot and tengu on dscan, and decides to camp the mobile depot. Then your tengu is stuck without its cloak or nullifier. Then the probes come and you have to log (at which point, why are you doing any of this?) or run for it and probably getting caught in a gatecamp.

I'm sure this will work well in a region of space devoid of activity, but then again, so would anything else in that situation.

Infinity Ziona wrote:

but the reality is the T3's are so much better in terms of real applied DPS

The sin would like to have a word with you.
James Nikolas Tesla
Tesla Holdings
#34 - 2014-02-15 03:26:06 UTC
Batelle wrote:
No to covops cloak. But let it jump to covert cynos. Then it would be a fantastic combat exploration battleship and replace the sin in its pve role.

As for "why no covops cloak" the answer is because it is a battleship. This is sufficient enough.

Why? It was intended for wormholes.

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#35 - 2014-02-15 04:15:25 UTC
Yes, it's garbage. But the real question is: Will it blend?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#36 - 2014-02-15 04:19:35 UTC
Its going to remain garbage till they reduce the price or buff the hell out of it.... Pick ? Shocked
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#37 - 2014-02-15 04:41:06 UTC
deathghost wrote:
Has anybody ever heard ccp say you guys are right we ****** up, sorry guys?


Yes.

Overhaul Dscan!
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#38 - 2014-02-15 04:47:22 UTC
Ines Tegator wrote:
Yes.

We're due for another one, this time from some of the devs...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#39 - 2014-02-15 06:12:49 UTC
Isn't that the one with the 50% bonus to probe scan strength at zero skill?

Sounds pretty awesome to me.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#40 - 2014-02-15 06:16:44 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Isn't that the one with the 50% bonus to probe scan strength at zero skill?
Sounds pretty awesome to me.

@ $1.6-billion, a bargain... Roll

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.