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Offline High-Sec POSes

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Norfield
Consol Mining
#1 - 2014-02-14 20:59:14 UTC
Hello together,

I´m not sure, if this is the right channel, but I´ll give it a try.

I was just looking for a location for a high-sec POS in an attractive system and jumped to a hell lot of moons. About 10-30% of the POSes (depending on the system) are offline and belong often to pretty old corps with only a few members. Most of them aren´t probably used for a very long time. Thus they are just blocking anchor spots.

We don´t have the capacities to wardec someone. And as carebears we don´t want to destroy someones assets.

Wouldn´t it be reasonable, to let an offline´d POS vanish after some time, maybe 2 month? It would give smaller and newer corps the chance to build their POSes in nice spots. And also setting the incentive to keep the POS running. The new deployable structures also vanish after a specific period. Thus the mechanic exists.

What do you think?
Ginger Barbarella
#2 - 2014-02-14 21:46:33 UTC
Norfield wrote:
Hello together,

I´m not sure, if this is the right channel, but I´ll give it a try.

I was just looking for a location for a high-sec POS in an attractive system and jumped to a hell lot of moons. About 10-30% of the POSes (depending on the system) are offline and belong often to pretty old corps with only a few members. Most of them aren´t probably used for a very long time. Thus they are just blocking anchor spots.

We don´t have the capacities to wardec someone. And as carebears we don´t want to destroy someones assets.

Wouldn´t it be reasonable, to let an offline´d POS vanish after some time, maybe 2 month? It would give smaller and newer corps the chance to build their POSes in nice spots. And also setting the incentive to keep the POS running. The new deployable structures also vanish after a specific period. Thus the mechanic exists.

What do you think?


Been asked dozens of times. CCP wants conflict. Wardec or walk away.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Norfield
Consol Mining
#3 - 2014-02-14 21:51:03 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:

Been asked dozens of times. CCP wants conflict. Wardec or walk away.


Allright, thanks for the info
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#4 - 2014-02-14 22:14:50 UTC
Norfield wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:

Been asked dozens of times. CCP wants conflict. Wardec or walk away.


Allright, thanks for the info


Or contact them and ask to buy the spot.
Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#5 - 2014-02-14 22:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Norfield wrote:

We don´t have the capacities to wardec someone. And as carebears we don´t want to destroy someones assets.

Then find a new spot, track someone down who will sell you a spot, or keep on living without a pos.
Quote:

Wouldn´t it be reasonable, to let an offline´d POS vanish after some time, maybe 2 month? It would give smaller and newer corps the chance to build their POSes in nice spots. And also setting the incentive to keep the POS running. The new deployable structures also vanish after a specific period. Thus the mechanic exists.

What do you think?


It would not be reasonable.

I think you should HTFU and shoot one. If these are truly dead or inactive corps, it should be a simple matter to wardec for 50m and take a few hours to kill the tower with battleships. Believe me, this will not interfere with your wish to remain carebears. Furthermore, the pos tower alone is not of huge value. If you manage to take down a tower, i would not expect the owner to be surprised or particularly bothered at all. Even an active corp will leave the tower there when they abandon the pos, simply on the off chance they wish to return. Plus, when you're done you might find yourself proud enough to upload the killmail.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2014-02-14 22:48:57 UTC
You can hire people to remove the tower.

You can AFK do it yourself. You can even create a temporary corp to do the wardec if you fear repercussions.
Norfield
Consol Mining
#7 - 2014-02-14 22:57:58 UTC
Batelle wrote:

I think you should HTFU and shoot one. If these are truly dead or inactive corps, it should be a simple matter to wardec for 50m and take a few hours to kill the tower with battleships. Believe me, this will not interfere with your wish to remain carebears. Furthermore, the pos tower alone is not of huge value. If you manage to take down a tower, i would not expect the owner to be surprised or particularly bothered at all. Even an active corp will leave the tower there when they abandon the pos, simply on the off chance they wish to return. Plus, when you're done you might find yourself proud enough to upload the killmail.



Tau Cabalander wrote:
You can hire people to remove the tower.
You can AFK do it yourself. You can even create a temporary corp to do the wardec if you fear repercussions.


Thanks for your advice. Guess, we will do some POS-bashing
Ginger Barbarella
#8 - 2014-02-14 23:32:26 UTC
Norfield wrote:
Batelle wrote:

I think you should HTFU and shoot one. If these are truly dead or inactive corps, it should be a simple matter to wardec for 50m and take a few hours to kill the tower with battleships. Believe me, this will not interfere with your wish to remain carebears. Furthermore, the pos tower alone is not of huge value. If you manage to take down a tower, i would not expect the owner to be surprised or particularly bothered at all. Even an active corp will leave the tower there when they abandon the pos, simply on the off chance they wish to return. Plus, when you're done you might find yourself proud enough to upload the killmail.



Tau Cabalander wrote:
You can hire people to remove the tower.
You can AFK do it yourself. You can even create a temporary corp to do the wardec if you fear repercussions.


Thanks for your advice. Guess, we will do some POS-bashing


Go to http://www.evewho.com and check up on that corp in question, their Alliance members, and activity therein. Decide whether to bash, hire mercs, or leave it alone then. EveWho isn't 100% reliable, but it's a good indicator. Also, see if any other indy corps in your area want to get in on the bash if you think it's a good choice. More people bashing means quicker kill.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#9 - 2014-02-14 23:35:07 UTC
Norfield wrote:

Thanks for your advice. Guess, we will do some POS-bashing


\o/

Plus, if you're willing to shoot one, that means you can put your pos where it most makes sense for your corp, rather than whenever there happened to be an empty moon. Location is a big deal.

Also, if you need to kick members temporarily to achieve the faction standing for anchoring the tower, be sure to do it (and reaccept them) before the wardec.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

MonkeyMagic Thiesant
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-02-15 00:02:15 UTC
One small warning: pos spots near trade hubs are desirable. If you take one such spot, you may find yourself decced by another corp soon enough.

Don't get too greedy - go a few jumps further away, off the main routes.
Norfield
Consol Mining
#11 - 2014-02-15 07:52:15 UTC
MonkeyMagic Thiesant wrote:
One small warning: pos spots near trade hubs are desirable. If you take one such spot, you may find yourself decced by another corp soon enough.

Don't get too greedy - go a few jumps further away, off the main routes.


It´s 3 jumps away from a hub with 80+ moons. About 20% of the POSes are offline. I guess, we´re pretty safe there, as it looks more logical to me, to go for an offline POS than for a onlined EWAR tower. At least I hope so Roll
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#12 - 2014-02-15 14:11:23 UTC
"We don't want to destroy anyone's assets



...but we wouldn't mind if they just lost those assets"




Carebear logic
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#13 - 2014-02-16 09:21:05 UTC
Your best bet is to hire mercs, though it will likely be pricey. Just note that many merc corps will likely shy away from a large, due to the massive amount of hp. Even if it is offline a large caldari control tower for example has over 50 mil hp to shoot through. Now if the corp turns out to be active and turns it into a dickstar tower, well most mercs won't even bother.

Small and mediums are more likely to be targets mercs will shoot for you.

If you go at it on your own there are several things to consider:

Depending on the size of tower some Tier 3 BCs can widdle away at it and be cheap enough to lose if it turns out they are actually active.

If you are going to wardec a corp you will want to know their activity level, their size, and the experience of their members. Many corps are dead or inactive so you will likely encounter no resistance, but never count on it.

wardecs may put you on the map to be decced later, as they show up in the active wardec list, and many highsec pvp corps may take you for someone who may give good targets.

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-02-17 14:07:10 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
"We don't want to destroy anyone's assets



...but we wouldn't mind if they just lost those assets"




Carebear logic

personally i care a little when i lose ship to NPC but i care A LOT if i lose my ship to other player...... Roll

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-02-17 14:38:11 UTC
Norfield wrote:
Batelle wrote:

I think you should HTFU and shoot one. If these are truly dead or inactive corps, it should be a simple matter to wardec for 50m and take a few hours to kill the tower with battleships. Believe me, this will not interfere with your wish to remain carebears. Furthermore, the pos tower alone is not of huge value. If you manage to take down a tower, i would not expect the owner to be surprised or particularly bothered at all. Even an active corp will leave the tower there when they abandon the pos, simply on the off chance they wish to return. Plus, when you're done you might find yourself proud enough to upload the killmail.



Tau Cabalander wrote:
You can hire people to remove the tower.
You can AFK do it yourself. You can even create a temporary corp to do the wardec if you fear repercussions.


Thanks for your advice. Guess, we will do some POS-bashing



Oracles, T1 ammo, afk. Set up a rota for being atk and have everyone on comms. If something happens then they can yell on ts and people can pause the movie and perform whatever eve action is needed.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#16 - 2014-02-17 14:47:58 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
"We don't want to destroy anyone's assets

...but we wouldn't mind if they just lost those assets"

Carebear logic

personally i care a little when i lose ship to NPC but i care A LOT if i lose my ship to other player...... Roll


should be the other way around. Losing a ship to an npc is much more embarrassing.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Gh0stBust3rs
Destruction and Pacification Services
#17 - 2014-02-17 15:27:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gh0stBust3rs
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Norfield wrote:
Batelle wrote:

I think you should HTFU and shoot one. If these are truly dead or inactive corps, it should be a simple matter to wardec for 50m and take a few hours to kill the tower with battleships. Believe me, this will not interfere with your wish to remain carebears. Furthermore, the pos tower alone is not of huge value. If you manage to take down a tower, i would not expect the owner to be surprised or particularly bothered at all. Even an active corp will leave the tower there when they abandon the pos, simply on the off chance they wish to return. Plus, when you're done you might find yourself proud enough to upload the killmail.



Tau Cabalander wrote:
You can hire people to remove the tower.
You can AFK do it yourself. You can even create a temporary corp to do the wardec if you fear repercussions.


Thanks for your advice. Guess, we will do some POS-bashing



Oracles, T1 ammo, afk. Set up a rota for being atk and have everyone on comms. If something happens then they can yell on ts and people can pause the movie and perform whatever eve action is needed.


If its a large tower that has no shield just setup an afk drone boat. Domis+ Heavy drones+ Lasers with t1 crystals in the highs and full damage/cap recharge in the mids and lows. You get like 1200 afk dps.

[Dominix, afk tower bash]

6x Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency L)

3x Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Tracking Computer II

3x Heat Sink II
4x Drone Damage Amplifier II

5x Ogre II
Norfield
Consol Mining
#18 - 2014-02-17 22:19:16 UTC
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:

If its a large tower that has no shield just setup an afk drone boat. Domis+ Heavy drones+ Lasers with t1 crystals in the highs and full damage/cap recharge in the mids and lows. You get like 1200 afk dps.

[Dominix, afk tower bash]

6x Dual Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency L)

3x Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Tracking Computer II

3x Heat Sink II
4x Drone Damage Amplifier II

5x Ogre II


Great, ty!
Rashnu Gorbani
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-02-20 17:38:39 UTC
Last time I had such a dilemma I just bought a location I found advertised in sell orders forum. It really depends what works best for you, for me that was the most convenient.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#20 - 2014-02-20 19:33:47 UTC
Batelle wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
"We don't want to destroy anyone's assets

...but we wouldn't mind if they just lost those assets"

Carebear logic

personally i care a little when i lose ship to NPC but i care A LOT if i lose my ship to other player...... Roll


should be the other way around. Losing a ship to an npc is much more embarrassing.


i agree with they other, theres lots of ways to lose your ship to another player, if i lose 1 to rats its means i seriously messed up my fit, if i lose one to players your going to lose it no matter how well fit it is.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

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