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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#61 - 2014-02-14 00:28:59 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
How can you claim it has nothing to do with fear of loss, and then in the next sentence state you boycott Corps because you fear awoxers?

You acknowledge the benefits of a corporation, but have trust issues letting in other players. You just stated your afraid they will steal your assets or AWOX your ships. That apprehension you have, where you anticipate some impending misfortune... That is called FEAR.
Because you are putting words in my mouth. It's simple risk/reward. Unless you are going to be getting a substantial reward, which most high sec corps do not offer, there is simply no point undertaking the risk. Most corps offer little to no benefit. So that's not fear, that's straight up rational reasoning. Why take on board the risk for what is effectively an invitation to a chat channel.

And look, I'm not going to get into some massive discussion about it. That's the way I feel and people who do not like being awoxed I'll continue to advise to not join high sec corps, since they add no benefit whatsoever. Nothing you say will change my mind on that. And while "many many corps" may thrives, there's still threads starting up all the time crying about how super protected NPC corp players are. If you don't like them being there, STOP MAKING IT SO DAMN APPEALING TO STAY THERE.

Now since you've decided to go down the route of insulting me, and telling me to HTFU, simply because you disagree with my point of view, I'm done with you.

Good day.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#62 - 2014-02-14 00:33:33 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
How can you claim it has nothing to do with fear of loss, and then in the next sentence state you boycott Corps because you fear awoxers?

You acknowledge the benefits of a corporation, but have trust issues letting in other players. You just stated your afraid they will steal your assets or AWOX your ships. That apprehension you have, where you anticipate some impending misfortune... That is called FEAR.
Because you are putting words in my mouth. It's simple risk/reward. Unless you are going to be getting a substantial reward, which most high sec corps do not offer, there is simply no point undertaking the risk. Most corps offer little to no benefit. So that's not fear, that's straight up rational reasoning. Why take on board the risk for what is effectively an invitation to a chat channel.

And look, I'm not going to get into some massive discussion about it. That's the way I feel and people who do not like being awoxed I'll continue to advise to not join high sec corps, since they add no benefit whatsoever. Nothing you say will change my mind on that. And while "many many corps" may thrives, there's still threads starting up all the time crying about how super protected NPC corp players are. If you don't like them being there, STOP MAKING IT SO DAMN APPEALING TO STAY THERE.

Now since you've decided to go down the route of insulting me, and telling me to HTFU, simply because you disagree with my point of view, I'm done with you.

Good day.


Where I'm from, HTFU is not an insult. Sorry if that hurt your feelings.

Here is a different approach, rather than stripping the risks from joining a Highsec corp, what benefits would you consider worth putting yourself at risk of AWOXing?

Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#63 - 2014-02-14 00:43:57 UTC
Oh Lol... Such a Troll Alliance...

Oh wait I'm CEO of one of them XD Twisted

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#64 - 2014-02-14 00:47:36 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Where I'm from, HTFU is not an insult. Sorry if that hurt your feelings.

Here is a different approach, rather than stripping the risks from joining a Highsec corp, what benefits would you consider worth putting yourself at risk of AWOXing?
No, HTFU, means harden the **** up. I know it's not an insult on it's own, but combined with your general attitude, it's clear you don't want to discuss anything, you want to imagine me to be some teary eyed noob that needs a hug. Honestly, I could care less. If nothing changes, then the situation with NPC corp players will not change, since you aren't going to win them over by screaming HTFU at them every time you kill them.

As for benefits, that really depends on the player. There would be no real way to globally add a benefit to being in a corp. I just don't understand why they thought adding a downside to being in a player corp over an NPC corp would be a good idea. Who knows, maybe CCP intended for people to stay separated, and the current situation of huge volumes of people in NPC corps is what they were aiming for.

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Sniper Wolf18
Aggressive Diplomacy
#65 - 2014-02-14 01:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Sniper Wolf18
Lucas Kell wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Where I'm from, HTFU is not an insult. Sorry if that hurt your feelings.

Here is a different approach, rather than stripping the risks from joining a Highsec corp, what benefits would you consider worth putting yourself at risk of AWOXing?
No, HTFU, means harden the **** up. I know it's not an insult on it's own, but combined with your general attitude, it's clear you don't want to discuss anything, you want to imagine me to be some teary eyed noob that needs a hug. Honestly, I could care less. If nothing changes, then the situation with NPC corp players will not change, since you aren't going to win them over by screaming HTFU at them every time you kill them.

As for benefits, that really depends on the player. There would be no real way to globally add a benefit to being in a corp. I just don't understand why they thought adding a downside to being in a player corp over an NPC corp would be a good idea. Who knows, maybe CCP intended for people to stay separated, and the current situation of huge volumes of people in NPC corps is what they were aiming for.


You keep saying there are no benefits to joining a corp, then when the benefits are put into a nice little list for you they are either starkly ignored or you change the subject entirely. There are many benefits to joining a corp and they have all been listed in this thread at least once. Just because you are selectively ignorant to them does not mean they do not exist and the tens of thousands of people who are in player corps (and a vast majority of them not awoxed) would tend to disagree with you. Corporations are about trust and fidelity and you should not take joining a corporation lightly, much like marriage and other things that work on similar principles; rushing blindly into it will usually end very badly. Your plea that corp members shouldn't be able to shoot each-other is about as sensible as outlawing marriage to stop adultery and divorce; remove the ability to shoot the people in your corporation and you remove one of the major trust-building mechanics in EVE.

PS; the phrase is 'couldn't care less', 'could care less' implies that you do care and could care less about it.
Yuber Eightfold
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#66 - 2014-02-14 07:02:09 UTC
Im not so sure about that new corp of yours.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#67 - 2014-02-14 08:32:47 UTC
Sniper Wolf18 wrote:
You keep saying there are no benefits to joining a corp, then when the benefits are put into a nice little list for you they are either starkly ignored or you change the subject entirely. There are many benefits to joining a corp and they have all been listed in this thread at least once. Just because you are selectively ignorant to them does not mean they do not exist and the tens of thousands of people who are in player corps (and a vast majority of them not awoxed) would tend to disagree with you. Corporations are about trust and fidelity and you should not take joining a corporation lightly, much like marriage and other things that work on similar principles; rushing blindly into it will usually end very badly. Your plea that corp members shouldn't be able to shoot each-other is about as sensible as outlawing marriage to stop adultery and divorce; remove the ability to shoot the people in your corporation and you remove one of the major trust-building mechanics in EVE.
In part true, but my point is that there are no natural benefits. here are benefits if a corp is offering something specific that you want, wars, a POS, etc, but there are no all around benefits to a corp that you couldn't get by simply making your own or looking elsewhere. And while there are a lot of players in players corps , there are also a lot of players remaining in nppc corps or solo corps forever, and I feel they should be encouraged to move into other groups.

Sniper Wolf18 wrote:
PS; the phrase is 'couldn't care less', 'could care less' implies that you do care and could care less about it.
I am well aware, however I was choosing to use an americanism as I felt it added to the flow of the sentence. You understood the meaning which is the point of language, to convey meaning, so clearly it did it's job.

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Sniper Wolf18
Aggressive Diplomacy
#68 - 2014-02-14 09:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sniper Wolf18
Lucas Kell wrote:
Sniper Wolf18 wrote:
You keep saying there are no benefits to joining a corp, then when the benefits are put into a nice little list for you they are either starkly ignored or you change the subject entirely. There are many benefits to joining a corp and they have all been listed in this thread at least once. Just because you are selectively ignorant to them does not mean they do not exist and the tens of thousands of people who are in player corps (and a vast majority of them not awoxed) would tend to disagree with you. Corporations are about trust and fidelity and you should not take joining a corporation lightly, much like marriage and other things that work on similar principles; rushing blindly into it will usually end very badly. Your plea that corp members shouldn't be able to shoot each-other is about as sensible as outlawing marriage to stop adultery and divorce; remove the ability to shoot the people in your corporation and you remove one of the major trust-building mechanics in EVE.
In part true, but my point is that there are no natural benefits. here are benefits if a corp is offering something specific that you want, wars, a POS, etc, but there are no all around benefits to a corp that you couldn't get by simply making your own or looking elsewhere. And while there are a lot of players in players corps , there are also a lot of players remaining in nppc corps or solo corps forever, and I feel they should be encouraged to move into other groups.

Sniper Wolf18 wrote:
PS; the phrase is 'couldn't care less', 'could care less' implies that you do care and could care less about it.
I am well aware, however I was choosing to use an americanism as I felt it added to the flow of the sentence. You understood the meaning which is the point of language, to convey meaning, so clearly it did it's job.


So, what you're saying is that removing the ability to shoot people in your Corp would make all those people in NPC corps and one man corps join larger, group oriented corps? Do you have any evidence to back this up?
Why not get the hundreds, if not thousands of people who feel like this to post in this thread, since you must have done a survey to speak with this much authority, right? Since basing the needs and wants of thousands on your own limited and entirely anecdotal experience would be pretty ******* dumb, right?

Maybe the incentives of teamwork and the benefits of joining a Corp need to be re-emphasised. Why not increase NPC Corp tax to 50%, move all l4 missions DED 4/10s and incursions to lowsec and triple the rewards accordingly, then, for every additional Corp member in space in the same system as the mission (helping or protecting said missionrunner) the rewards will be increased by an additional 30% per corpmate in space. I've a feeling that will force the solobears into working together much more than removing the ability to shoot corpmates.
If you feel carebears should still be allowed to run l4s in hisec the difficulty should be increased to that of l5 missions with no increase to bounty payments or lp reward, once again this would make the solo players join a Corp, or do l3 missions, which have significantly less reward.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-02-14 12:01:19 UTC
myndzha wrote:
yeah you're all pretty much right more or less.
as far repercussions from me the only thing thats gonna happen is training skills for the gametime i bought and then uninstalling since i got 2m left and i have no interest in grinding level 3s untill i get back up a standard mega. i used it for L4s (a little different fit) |and i wasn't gonna die in them so... all it took was one -friendly- fleet invite. and no, i did not attack FIVE of my corp members first.

Well if that's how you play the gamethen it's no loss if you leave anyway.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#70 - 2014-02-14 12:15:12 UTC
Sniper Wolf18 wrote:
So, what you're saying is that removing the ability to shoot people in your Corp would make all those people in NPC corps and one man corps join larger, group oriented corps? Do you have any evidence to back this up?
Why not get the hundreds, if not thousands of people who feel like this to post in this thread, since you must have done a survey to speak with this much authority, right? Since basing the needs and wants of thousands on your own limited and entirely anecdotal experience would be pretty ******* dumb, right?

Maybe the incentives of teamwork and the benefits of joining a Corp need to be re-emphasised. Why not increase NPC Corp tax to 50%, move all l4 missions DED 4/10s and incursions to lowsec and triple the rewards accordingly, then, for every additional Corp member in space in the same system as the mission (helping or protecting said missionrunner) the rewards will be increased by an additional 30% per corpmate in space. I've a feeling that will force the solobears into working together much more than removing the ability to shoot corpmates.
If you feel carebears should still be allowed to run l4s in hisec the difficulty should be increased to that of l5 missions with no increase to bounty payments or lp reward, once again this would make the solo players join a Corp, or do l3 missions, which have significantly less reward.
No, I'm not saying that would definitely make a change, but it would definitely help, and the cost would be stopping a single type of awox. It wouldn't stop people shooting people out of high sec, and wouldn't stop corp thieves and the like. I've met many people who run small corps who would love to invite more people in, but they simply can't be bothered with the headache of dealing with random alts turning up to awox.

Improving of rewards like you have suggested there would only lead to groups being able to abuse that to push themselves even further ahead, and force people out of high sec. I don;t think people should be forced out of high sec into combat, I just think they should be encouraged to move out of NPC corps, or at least not punished for doing so.

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Sniper Wolf18
Aggressive Diplomacy
#71 - 2014-02-14 13:59:25 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Sniper Wolf18 wrote:
So, what you're saying is that removing the ability to shoot people in your Corp would make all those people in NPC corps and one man corps join larger, group oriented corps? Do you have any evidence to back this up?
Why not get the hundreds, if not thousands of people who feel like this to post in this thread, since you must have done a survey to speak with this much authority, right? Since basing the needs and wants of thousands on your own limited and entirely anecdotal experience would be pretty ******* dumb, right?

Maybe the incentives of teamwork and the benefits of joining a Corp need to be re-emphasised. Why not increase NPC Corp tax to 50%, move all l4 missions DED 4/10s and incursions to lowsec and triple the rewards accordingly, then, for every additional Corp member in space in the same system as the mission (helping or protecting said missionrunner) the rewards will be increased by an additional 30% per corpmate in space. I've a feeling that will force the solobears into working together much more than removing the ability to shoot corpmates.
If you feel carebears should still be allowed to run l4s in hisec the difficulty should be increased to that of l5 missions with no increase to bounty payments or lp reward, once again this would make the solo players join a Corp, or do l3 missions, which have significantly less reward.
No, I'm not saying that would definitely make a change, but it would definitely help, and the cost would be stopping a single type of awox. It wouldn't stop people shooting people out of high sec, and wouldn't stop corp thieves and the like. I've met many people who run small corps who would love to invite more people in, but they simply can't be bothered with the headache of dealing with random alts turning up to awox.

Improving of rewards like you have suggested there would only lead to groups being able to abuse that to push themselves even further ahead, and force people out of high sec. I don;t think people should be forced out of high sec into combat, I just think they should be encouraged to move out of NPC corps, or at least not punished for doing so.


People are not punished for joining player corps, they are punished for not doing their research or for flying their shiny pinata fitted ahip in a Corp wirhout spending any time to get to know their corpmates. If your friends are concerned about getting awoxed then why do they not set up a set of in-Corp rules and protocols on how to react to an awox attack, there will likely only be one awoxer but there will be many people ready to respond to that awoxer and kill him in return, getting together to fend off an awox attack would probably do these Carebear extraordinares a world of good. Even if they don't kill him and just force him to drop corp they will only have lost one pixel spaceship in a game where pixel spaceships are consumable items, big whoop.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#72 - 2014-02-14 15:58:04 UTC
Sniper Wolf18 wrote:
People are not punished for joining player corps, they are punished for not doing their research or for flying their shiny pinata fitted ahip in a Corp wirhout spending any time to get to know their corpmates. If your friends are concerned about getting awoxed then why do they not set up a set of in-Corp rules and protocols on how to react to an awox attack, there will likely only be one awoxer but there will be many people ready to respond to that awoxer and kill him in return, getting together to fend off an awox attack would probably do these Carebear extraordinares a world of good. Even if they don't kill him and just force him to drop corp they will only have lost one pixel spaceship in a game where pixel spaceships are consumable items, big whoop.
That still doesn't actually resole the situation, that's just a long winded way to say HTFU. If you do all the research, and join a group, you can still get awoxed. People there can still awox you, and new people could join at any time to do so. It's all well and good to sit in an ivory tower saying "just do it this way", but that doesn't actually do anything. The fact still remains that by joining a corp you open up a vulnerability, so if you aren't getting the reward to balance that risk, you're better off avoiding the risk.

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Sniper Wolf18
Aggressive Diplomacy
#73 - 2014-02-14 16:24:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Sniper Wolf18
Lucas Kell wrote:
Sniper Wolf18 wrote:
People are not punished for joining player corps, they are punished for not doing their research or for flying their shiny pinata fitted ahip in a Corp wirhout spending any time to get to know their corpmates. If your friends are concerned about getting awoxed then why do they not set up a set of in-Corp rules and protocols on how to react to an awox attack, there will likely only be one awoxer but there will be many people ready to respond to that awoxer and kill him in return, getting together to fend off an awox attack would probably do these Carebear extraordinares a world of good. Even if they don't kill him and just force him to drop corp they will only have lost one pixel spaceship in a game where pixel spaceships are consumable items, big whoop.
That still doesn't actually resole the situation, that's just a long winded way to say HTFU. If you do all the research, and join a group, you can still get awoxed. People there can still awox you, and new people could join at any time to do so. It's all well and good to sit in an ivory tower saying "just do it this way", but that doesn't actually do anything. The fact still remains that by joining a corp you open up a vulnerability, so if you aren't getting the reward to balance that risk, you're better off avoiding the risk.


You have been told the rewards many times but you refuse to listen, will listing them as bullet points help? If you still fail to comprehend the benefits from being in a corp after this, EVE online may not be the game for you.

-Taxes
-POS ownership
-Participation in wars
-A group of like minded people to play EVE with
-Access to hangars, a global wallet, POS services
-Access to alliances
-Able to test corpmates fits, web freighters into warp, able to attack corpmates at any time to keep them on their toes without concord intervention
-More content in a sandbox game, in my book awoxing and getting awoxed count as content, if someone started awoxing me and my corp I'd jump at the opportunity to get some pewpew, I'm sure many others would too

Maybe you feel that you are better off avoiding the risk, but why then are you in a corp yourself? Shouldn't you quit in protest at the fact that you can get shot at in hisec without concord to save you (shock, horror)?
I doubt the fear of being awoxed is what's stopping even 5% of the people currently in solo/npc corps and I will continue to believe this. As you are the one making the claim that thousands are in NPC/solo corps out of fear of being awoxed the burden of proof lies on you. So please, go ahead; start sending out evemails to every NPC/solo corp denizen you see in local, ask them why they are in a solo corp, most will probably ignore you, but some will reply, once you have a hundred or so replies, post the data up in a thread of your own on features & ideas, or just post it here. I will wait with bated breath.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#74 - 2014-02-14 17:12:59 UTC
Sniper Wolf18 wrote:

You have been told the rewards many times but you refuse to listen, will listing them as bullet points help? If you still fail to comprehend the benefits from being in a corp after this, EVE online may not be the game for you.

-Taxes
-POS ownership
-Participation in wars
-A group of like minded people to play EVE with
-Access to hangars, a global wallet, POS services
-Access to alliances
-Able to test corpmates fits, web freighters into warp, able to attack corpmates at any time to keep them on their toes without concord intervention
-More content in a sandbox game, in my book awoxing and getting awoxed count as content, if someone started awoxing me and my corp I'd jump at the opportunity to get some pewpew, I'm sure many others would too

Maybe you feel that you are better off avoiding the risk, but why then are you in a corp yourself? Shouldn't you quit in protest at the fact that you can get shot at in hisec without concord to save you (shock, horror)?
I doubt the fear of being awoxed is what's stopping even 5% of the people currently in solo/npc corps and I will continue to believe this. As you are the one making the claim that thousands are in NPC/solo corps out of fear of being awoxed the burden of proof lies on you. So please, go ahead; start sending out evemails to every NPC/solo corp denizen you see in local, ask them why they are in a solo corp, most will probably ignore you, but some will reply, once you have a hundred or so replies, post the data up in a thread of your own on features & ideas, or just post it here. I will wait with bated breath.


Totally agree. The game is very restrictive to persons staying in an NPC corp. To each his own, and if they are content with sitting there shooting red crosses and mining, have at it.

-BUT-

Anyone doing this really deprives themselves of some of the great parts of this game. NPC corps cant WH, claim SOV, Wardec, and all the other points described above. Personally, the people I play with MAKE the game. Granted you can still make those kind of connections while in NPC corps, but I am thinking they would be harder to come by. (Maybe not, but I dont have any experience with it, I got into a player run corp as soon as I could.)

To the core of the discussion (AWOXing), its my understanding that this game is suppose to be risky. Its why your heart beats out of your chest at some points. The ability to lose assets in the blink of an eye if you arent careful is what makes this game both memorable and exciting. I think that it is a valuable mechanic for both corps and awoxers. It should keep corps on their toes (just like in real life, when you apply somewhere, a company does a background check), and it provides a means for some individuals to make a living in-game. I have several friends who pay their subscriptions via AWOX.

The point? Players should learn to adapt to play within the rules, mechanics, and styles of play out there, not cry for things to be changed. IMHO, of course.

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Ezek Price
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#75 - 2014-02-14 18:39:14 UTC
Disappointed the vindi was cheap fit.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#76 - 2014-02-14 19:09:20 UTC
Sniper Wolf18 wrote:
You have been told the rewards many times but you refuse to listen, will listing them as bullet points help? If you still fail to comprehend the benefits from being in a corp after this, EVE online may not be the game for you.

-Taxes
-POS ownership
-Participation in wars
-A group of like minded people to play EVE with
-Access to hangars, a global wallet, POS services
-Access to alliances
-Able to test corpmates fits, web freighters into warp, able to attack corpmates at any time to keep them on their toes without concord intervention
-More content in a sandbox game, in my book awoxing and getting awoxed count as content, if someone started awoxing me and my corp I'd jump at the opportunity to get some pewpew, I'm sure many others would too

Maybe you feel that you are better off avoiding the risk, but why then are you in a corp yourself? Shouldn't you quit in protest at the fact that you can get shot at in hisec without concord to save you (shock, horror)?
I doubt the fear of being awoxed is what's stopping even 5% of the people currently in solo/npc corps and I will continue to believe this. As you are the one making the claim that thousands are in NPC/solo corps out of fear of being awoxed the burden of proof lies on you. So please, go ahead; start sending out evemails to every NPC/solo corp denizen you see in local, ask them why they are in a solo corp, most will probably ignore you, but some will reply, once you have a hundred or so replies, post the data up in a thread of your own on features & ideas, or just post it here. I will wait with bated breath.
And of those benefits none are a global benefit. They all serve a specific need, which if you don;t need, you arent getting the benefit. The only global benefit is tax reduction, which you can create a solo corp to get. You can join wars as an ally, you can find like minded players elsewhere, you can have your own POS services, you can even join alliances on your own corp. The list goes on. You average Joe nobody that is quite content playing a couple of times a week shooting some red crosses and dreaming of one day owning a pirate battleship, or grinding rocks with the hope of making an orca, they don't benefit very much at all.

And no, ganking in highsec has repercussions albeit light ones. Awxoing has none.

Leto Thule wrote:
The point? Players should learn to adapt to play within the rules, mechanics, and styles of play out there, not cry for things to be changed. IMHO, of course.
Totally agree, which is why rather than posting up a thread in F&I to have people troll to 200 pages long, I'm simply telling people how to use the current rules to avoid being awoxed. I'm neither crying, nor demanding anything changes, simply pointing out the logic behind the decision. But when are people going to stop having rage fits that so many NPC corp players exist, demanding they be given huge negative side effects or be forced out of NPC corps?

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Sniper Wolf18
Aggressive Diplomacy
#77 - 2014-02-14 19:38:08 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Sniper Wolf18 wrote:
You have been told the rewards many times but you refuse to listen, will listing them as bullet points help? If you still fail to comprehend the benefits from being in a corp after this, EVE online may not be the game for you.

-Taxes
-POS ownership
-Participation in wars
-A group of like minded people to play EVE with
-Access to hangars, a global wallet, POS services
-Access to alliances
-Able to test corpmates fits, web freighters into warp, able to attack corpmates at any time to keep them on their toes without concord intervention
-More content in a sandbox game, in my book awoxing and getting awoxed count as content, if someone started awoxing me and my corp I'd jump at the opportunity to get some pewpew, I'm sure many others would too

Maybe you feel that you are better off avoiding the risk, but why then are you in a corp yourself? Shouldn't you quit in protest at the fact that you can get shot at in hisec without concord to save you (shock, horror)?
I doubt the fear of being awoxed is what's stopping even 5% of the people currently in solo/npc corps and I will continue to believe this. As you are the one making the claim that thousands are in NPC/solo corps out of fear of being awoxed the burden of proof lies on you. So please, go ahead; start sending out evemails to every NPC/solo corp denizen you see in local, ask them why they are in a solo corp, most will probably ignore you, but some will reply, once you have a hundred or so replies, post the data up in a thread of your own on features & ideas, or just post it here. I will wait with bated breath.
And of those benefits none are a global benefit. They all serve a specific need, which if you don;t need, you arent getting the benefit. The only global benefit is tax reduction, which you can create a solo corp to get. You can join wars as an ally, you can find like minded players elsewhere, you can have your own POS services, you can even join alliances on your own corp. The list goes on. You average Joe nobody that is quite content playing a couple of times a week shooting some red crosses and dreaming of one day owning a pirate battleship, or grinding rocks with the hope of making an orca, they don't benefit very much at all.


You keep discounting all these benefits of being in a corp by saying that the people in NPC corps probably wouldn't benefit from these because they don't do any of that stuff. What makes you think that removing awoxing will suddenly cause these players to change their ways and leave solo/NPC corps? Wouldn't adding other benefits, or adding larger penalties to solo players have a much better and more profound effect? Removing the ability to awox would only remove more content and non-consensual PvP from EVE, it would not make all these career carebears change their ways and join a corp because they're 0.00001% less likely to get shot to pieces upon joining.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-02-14 19:44:10 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Totally agree, which is why rather than posting up a thread in F&I to have people troll to 200 pages long, I'm simply telling people how to use the current rules to avoid being awoxed. I'm neither crying, nor demanding anything changes, simply pointing out the logic behind the decision. But when are people going to stop having rage fits that so many NPC corp players exist, demanding they be given huge negative side effects or be forced out of NPC corps?


I know you arent crying, I was just making a broad statement. I do, however, think there should be a higher tax rate in NPC corps. Why? I think a higher tax rate to NPC corps is justified by the extra protection it offers its members. Its easy mode, if there can be such a thing in this game. Not astronomical, but enough to make a dent in higher level mission income. It wouldnt hurt the new players, and it might give a bit more of incentive to leave the nest, and have a great time with a great game.

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c 3 po
League 0f Shad0ws
#79 - 2014-02-14 20:44:44 UTC
We are recruiting.

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myndzha
Astronomically Bountiful Cats of Space
The Commonwealth.
#80 - 2014-02-14 20:49:15 UTC
c 3 po wrote:
We are recruiting.

can i join?