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Vargur Income running Level 4s without blitzing (Rubicon 1.1)
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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-02-14 16:45:14 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:

Caveats:
* 21 missions isn't a very large sample size.
* multiple missions were declined per four hour block (4 declines total)

so you got 4 declines for 21 mission. Is there any prediction how long you could continue this chain until your agent will stop to talk to you? Or at the end your standings with agent became higher?

Another question: which security status of system you used for mission running? Am i right agent didn't give you missions into low-sec?

25 missions were offered. 0.5 system. The declined ones were for low-sec (plus one of them was also 3 jumps away which isn't going to happen just on general principles.)

well. you are lucky.

when i tried missioning last time i was getting missions in low-sec after every 1-3 high-sec missions. Add here faction missions (which i don't touch too).... Maybe this because agent was sitting in high-sec system next to low-sec?

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#22 - 2014-02-14 16:54:24 UTC
How much LP/h did you make?

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Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-02-14 17:04:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
The in game loot estimate is very hit or miss and the time taken to actually move and liquidate those assets isn't inconsiderable.

I'd be interested to see how long it takes you to do that liquidation and what the net income etc actually was.
stoicfaux
#24 - 2014-02-14 19:52:30 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
l0rd carlos wrote:
How much LP/h did you make?

16,539 LP/hour. It's been added in B82 B84.

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#25 - 2014-02-14 23:07:50 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
The in game loot estimate is very hit or miss and the time taken to actually move and liquidate those assets isn't inconsiderable.

I'd be interested to see how long it takes you to do that liquidation and what the net income etc actually was.


You mean refining everything when you have 500mill-1bill in loot and red frogging the minerals to jita?

All of.. 5min?

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Novah Soul
#26 - 2014-02-15 01:32:49 UTC
Interesting thread. Would it be a fair assumption to think the other three marauders would perform on a comparable level?

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#27 - 2014-02-15 02:37:45 UTC
Novah Soul wrote:
Interesting thread. Would it be a fair assumption to think the other three marauders would perform on a comparable level?

So long as they were fighting primarily their natural prey as it were I can see the paladin doing even better.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#28 - 2014-02-15 03:16:44 UTC
Novah Soul wrote:
Interesting thread. Would it be a fair assumption to think the other three marauders would perform on a comparable level?


The kronos is a magic beast full of success and fail. Its advisable imo to keep a dominix to go with it. Which isn't a particular chore as the domi is one of the best T1 runners.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#29 - 2014-02-15 03:40:46 UTC
These numbers are pretty solid. Ran missions for an hour, two crappy ones and one AE with bonus room and ended up with around 70mill + whatever the LP is worth.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-02-15 08:34:19 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
The in game loot estimate is very hit or miss and the time taken to actually move and liquidate those assets isn't inconsiderable.

I'd be interested to see how long it takes you to do that liquidation and what the net income etc actually was.


You mean refining everything when you have 500mill-1bill in loot and red frogging the minerals to jita?

All of.. 5min?


Well you could do that, but you'll get nowhere near as much as if you cherry pick the sales.
Polo Hamabu
Mostly Cap Stable
Sigma Grindset
#31 - 2014-02-15 13:02:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Polo Hamabu
Awesome thread buddy, looking at getting a Paladin myself and this has given me renewed faith in L4's!

Spreadsheet doesn't seem to work for me for some reason, would be cool to see your fit and other details!

EDIT: Got it working, had to copy paste link for some wierd reason, cheers Soc!
stoicfaux
#32 - 2014-02-15 13:07:36 UTC
Polo Hamabu wrote:
Awesome thread buddy, looking at getting a Paladin myself and this has given me renewed faith in L4's!

Spreadsheet doesn't seem to work for me for some reason, would be cool to see your fit and other details!

Fitting is listed in the "Ship Fitting" tab of the spreadsheet. The spreadsheet works in chrome and firefox. No idea why it doesn't work for you.

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stoicfaux
#33 - 2014-02-15 13:33:49 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
The in game loot estimate is very hit or miss and the time taken to actually move and liquidate those assets isn't inconsiderable.

I'd be interested to see how long it takes you to do that liquidation and what the net income etc actually was.


You mean refining everything when you have 500mill-1bill in loot and red frogging the minerals to jita?

All of.. 5min?


Well you could do that, but you'll get nowhere near as much as if you cherry pick the sales.

Use EveRefinery.

I added D82 which display the mineral value of the loot. For my test run
* Mineral Value of Loot ISK 14.9M per hour
* Loot ISK 20.4M per hour

So there was a 5.5M / hour difference. Having said that, I was making 44M liquid isk/hour. Which means I was making 5.5M every 7.5 minutes. It's up to you as to how might time you want to spend on selling/refining. OTOH, I have a loot container with items worth 361M in refined minerals or worth 625M at median sell price in the Forge.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#34 - 2014-02-15 16:24:11 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
The in game loot estimate is very hit or miss and the time taken to actually move and liquidate those assets isn't inconsiderable.

I'd be interested to see how long it takes you to do that liquidation and what the net income etc actually was.


You mean refining everything when you have 500mill-1bill in loot and red frogging the minerals to jita?

All of.. 5min?


Well you could do that, but you'll get nowhere near as much as if you cherry pick the sales.


I tend to sort by meta, grab all the meta 4 stuff and the refine the rest. The meta stuff is always useful for pvp.

There are also many 3rd party apps that help you sort your loot fast and even player run services that will do it for you.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#35 - 2014-02-15 20:40:15 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Maybe this because agent was sitting in high-sec system next to low-sec?

Yes.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#36 - 2014-02-16 00:16:26 UTC
I find that the clear all method makes more isk per hour most of the time.

By not blitzing you slow down the mission decline rate so you are less likely to have to move agents.
I find this factor alone to be enough to stop blitzing once you have L5 skills and maxed out ship.

Having a noctis maxed out and picking up a bunch of missions that were all book marked can fill in those extra double decline mission times. This also helps you decline a larger % of the missions which can help in the isk/hour ratio.

The bump in income comes from hiring a newer player as a your salvager/looter. You will have to be social but you end up with way more isk per hour compared to blitzing when this all comes together.



Disclaimer: I do my work in a RS not a Vargur.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-02-18 10:24:21 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
IMO those missions are a pretty decent "streak", during a period where I was full clearing and looting with an alt in a noctis, I'd have been overjoyed by that sequence.



That. Usually your income per hour will be a bit lower than that. Also depends a lot the location. Some places where the system is HUGE , the simple increase of tiem in warp to next system reduces your income.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-02-18 10:26:15 UTC
Novah Soul wrote:
Interesting thread. Would it be a fair assumption to think the other three marauders would perform on a comparable level?



If you are in the correct agent, Paladin can blow that out of water effortlessly.

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Smalltimer
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2014-02-18 10:52:03 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Novah Soul wrote:
Interesting thread. Would it be a fair assumption to think the other three marauders would perform on a comparable level?



If you are in the correct agent, Paladin can blow that out of water effortlessly.

I concur
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-02-18 11:11:06 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
don't tell me you did this because some ****** goon claimed that anoms can't compete with Lv 4's?

Some people play the game. Some people play the meta-game. And for some people, the game is how they pay their rent.



Sorry, I didn't want to question your work, but if that's the reason why you did this... well..

To say it straight: it's a decent test for a worthless argument with a random idiot.
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