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True.. i said i am not a lawyer, but i am an audiovisual mediadesigner so i get in contact with copyright laws every day. And if you look at my last post, where i copied everything regarding transactions of IP (which also is covered by International trade agreements) from the german copyright law, you might see where the problem is.

And as german citizen german law applies to me and the law clearly protects my IP from anything ccp is trying to do here. So how about instead of playing the "internet lawyer card" acting as CCP Whiteknight, you get your own facts straight. You do not need to be a lawyer to learn things about the law.

And ccp can write that crap into their EULA a million times, that does not put ccp above the law.

THis is EvE. Tinfoil is always required.

I've noticed a few pieces of Legal Advice being snipped by CCP mods.

I wonder if they're declaring ownership of that legal advice (it did get posted on their forums afterall) and using it to figure out a way out of this mess.

I see what you did there!

So, since your shameless ploy got me hooked to this lame Ally McBeal menage-a-trois, at least tell me if Bob and Eve will rekindle their love next season and if Alice has to go to court to find out who the real father of her logo is.

I'm sure that's Community department, not the community.

No, you don't need ownership. Whoever told you that was lying.

When you're billing by the hour, it helps to give very long, complex answers, ideally needing re-drafting and re-checking after one or two rounds of rebuttal.

So, if I'm understanding correctly, if someone used his real name as his in-game character name, CCP now claims to own that name (through some kind of IP transfer-majiggy), and that player is now required to apply for a provisional license issued by CCP in order to continue using his name in real life? This is friggin' hilarious !

CCP, your legal department employees are apparently a bunch of selfish sharks.
Please get it out of their heads that they are the only ones who know how copyright law works.



1: Intellectual Property.

If you MADE the logo, then it is YOUR intellectual property. Under NO circumstance in ANY country (apart from regimes like China, North Korea, etc) are people forced to give up their Intellectual Property. YOU made it, it is YOURS to own and distribute.


2: License to use.
However, sometimes you want others to help distribute your logo/design/whathaveyou. At this point, you, as the owner, are the only one to have copyright on what you made. But you can EXTEND this copyright by giving a license to the entity (people or companies) to use your logo and distribute as they see fit. This also gives them the right to modify your logo and use it in alternative ways than just digital use as long as you mention that in your license.

This license needs to be accepted by the distributor. In this case: CCP.
But you, as the designer, still have full ownership of the design, and you can terminate licenses as you see fit.


What CCP is doing is NOT the industry standard, it's actually quite the opposite and they attempt to use the opposite. Their reasoning is: players want to use OUR game, THEY have to sacrifice their intellectual property for it. This is selfish and unneccesary.
If they truly respect their playerbase, they only want to loan the design for use in the game for the benefit of the player alliances that use it, but still allow the original creators to maintain full ownership of the item.


It's that simple.

who would have thought a game best known for its byzantine mechanics that require years to learn fully and that really rewards sociopathy would get a disproportionate number of lawyers