Crime & Punishment

Ok, if you insist... There is this one (very tenacious)



Please explain to me how a corp isn't a sum of it's members and hurting the members of a corp doesn't hurt the corp itself, thanks.

D.



↓↓↓ All trolling aside, if you give 10 million to RVB, it helps the entire group of people that is RVB. Thanks for proving my point.

Aww how sweet, you think I'm a ranking official, and you mistake disdain for tears.

Again? How many times will that make?

It doesn't hurt the alliance as it has no impact on anything the alliance has or does. People have personal wealth separate from the alliance wealth, and that is what you are damaging. If they get ganked in high sec, they can still show up to fleets, help the alliance, and in fact are likely to pay more in tax, as well as spend more time in null. It could be argued that killing null members in high sec actually benefits the alliances.

If you give it to RvB, yes. If you give it to a random line member and they spend it on personal stuff like a bunch of exotic dancers or a Fedo, it does nothing for the alliance. In the same way, if you take something away from the player and the alliance doesn't reimburse, it doesn't damage the alliance. RvB are arguably slightly different from null sec groups with regard to ships, as they live in high sec. But then they budget for their losses and are willing participants in the war, so it's obviously not impacted them enough to make them leave.

Consider this in regards to what affects 0.0 alliances: recently Pandemic Legion and NC. lost some 59 titans- mostly between the two of them, along with over 300 dreads 100 carriers and 10ish supers. This loss was catastrophic enough for them to pull out of a war they were doing pretty good in and go huddle in the drone regions- repo all their allies space and go ride bikes.

Somebody would have to do something like this to GSF to be able to say: "Yeah that had an effect."

Killing dudes in highsec will never affect any 0.0 alliance, even when Miniluv intercepts a load of ships on the way to the warzone, they just buy and ship more. Wardecs dont affect 0.0 alliances, killing noobships and shuttles on undocks doesnt affect 0.0 alliances. Killing some idiot in a T3 or a Vindi in Balle doesnt affect 0.0 alliances.

20b, 50b, 100b, 500b per month in individual kills or losses or 'supposed' damage done doesnt even affect 0.0 alliances because idiots who die in dumb ways and outside of specific areas do not qualify for reimbursement so alliance coffers are always unaffected.

GSF will be around 5 years from now and Marmite will not. Some new alliance will wear the highsec 'mercenary' mantle and declare a forever war of success based upon safe and risk-free pvp just like all those that have come before.

Looks like we both have a very deep difference in how we perceive being affected in general.
Also, for an alliance that thrives on it's numbers... You don't care much for your numbers.

We'll agree to disagree I gues?
I think hurting people in their personal wallets has a much bigger impact in the long run on their alliance than directly hurting the alliance coffers.

You think people don't want isk or ships or personal stuff and should be happy with what the nullbear overlords provide for the occasions where you romp arround in your blob thingies...

Let's leave it at that than?

D.

Yeah, like all your posts about winning this war. But please continue, to our amusement :)
Oh, I asked you how much longer we need to wait to see the end of goons and rvb? Gevlon computed any date yet?



So you claim your master's logic is wrong? But he's got charts and all...



Don't know how null alliances handle finances, but I think they don't live on hisec POCOs (which you still haven't destroyed, btw). You know they lived here before the POCO thing, right?

Damn, that makes sense. I wonder why gevlon hasn't made a chart of it yet. Well, I guess you guys are doomed. Can I have your sov?

As I showed in my ~maths~ post, if you make the error of assuming Alliance ISK = Sum of all member ISK, then the situation looks pretty bleak, and the damage done is a quite literal rounding error.

125bil from member wallets is not only within the margin of error, I would guestimate you're at least an order of magnitude away from being statistically significant.

If you stop making that error, then you have caused us to replace one POCO.

So.. GSF is down ... whatever 1 POCO costs to deploy. Let's be generous and say it's equal to one week wardeccing one alliance.
Gevlon has some catching up to do on his 'ROI'

It's roughly equivalent to a fly hitting a wind-shield, and claiming it imparted x-amount of kinetic energy, and so "I'm doing damage honest any day now."
In both scenarios, the entity being 'hit' would have no means of noticing the impact if it was looking top-down and trying to measure it.

Tora knows it, despite his underlings redefining what it means to be a bad poster at every given opportunity, Tora is a pretty decent and rather intelligent fellow with an interesting sense of 'fun'.

Also- lol this is still a 'thing'?

Just have Gevlon pay a Goon director for the master list so you can pick and choose.

Too bad you don't have any secret agents on the inside. Corps really hate it when you change all their POS corp boomarks to the sun, or an ambush location with your fleet at their optimals, while you blast the POS. Or their Jita instaundocks to some Marmite blob. I don't even know if that still works, but was fun back when I did it to terrible highsec corps.