Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i agree with you Kyrik Vaster

An odd posture, considering your view of mining being best defended by avoiding any threat possible.

Why do you dislike having more options for play?

Thank you for responding in a thoughtful manner.


The time+risk=profit aspects were never intended to change, and I do appreciate your backhanded confirmation that they are intact.

The part that does change, which you are not necessarily aware of, is that a mining barge has a wildly different set of options for response than a typical PvP ship, when confronted by a hostile intent on combat.

And by different, I mean more limited by it's diminished capacity for combat in comparison.

The PvP ship, on either side, has a realistic option to fight, and possibly come out on top of the engagement. It is fair to say that a PvP ship will win.

Now, a typical mining ship, facing a PvP ship, is confronted with a more limited set of options.
They can run, which is often countered, or they can explode. Typical mining ships tend to make for poor opponents in combat, and as a result normally are expected to avoid the contest.

The goal of this idea, is to offload the actual mining onto NPC drones, allowing the miner to assume a role as manager / guardian.
The miner can sit vigilant over the drones, comparable to how they previously would have sat in an exhumer or barge, while the ore accumulates.
The key difference comes into play when the miner encounters a hostile player.

Previously, the most efficient response was often evasion, characterized by the mining player warping away ASAP before the hostile could engage them.

With this system, the most efficient response now has more options.
1. Evade, your drones are all warping away safely*
2. Evade, some or all of your drones will be lost, resulting in loss of deposit for destroyed units.
3. Guard the drones escape, your ship is prepared for escape under fire, but you are holding out until they warp before you leave.
4. Fight the attackers off. You are prepared for this encounter, and expect to get kill mails AND ore. It is a good day to mine.

*The first item is dependent on the drones being idle or predictably about to complete a cycle, and you have set the transponder into recall mode. This defaults into option two in the event some drones are still mining.

miners dont need pvp in form of pew pew

pvp players should protect miners in return miners and producers make new ships for the pvp guys to blow up

that should be the case not some big change that change the playstyle from mining to pvp

there are quite a few players that hate pvp or at least dislike it and i mean only pew pew

and no miner i know would like a forced pvp carrier

I like this, it indicates more creativity with considerations.

Thank you!

Stealing from the transponder directly, if in high sec, would be comparable to stealing from a wreck or jetcan.
I may be mistaken, but I think you get suspect status from that.

USING A SIPHON... very clever direction.
I would say this does NOT flag the player as a suspect, if it becomes an option to attempt.
NEITHER would destroying said siphon, since I would suggest flagging it with an exclusive suspect flag the moment it went active against the transponder.

The siphon would be a fancy legal glove, in this sense, getting the dirty suspect flag on the player's behalf.

Of course mining is PvP. You are competing for a limited resource, therefore there is a versus in mining. Just as there is in almost every aspect of Eve. This is why Eve is known as a PvP centric game.

As far as your argument regarding arming a mining ship is concerned, you are wrong yet again. My friend used to have great fun with his Hulk back in the day. It's only your imagination, that stands in your way.

That sounds a bit drastic to me, but perhaps you are wisest concerning what is in your own best interests.

A pity though, I had hoped you could justify the views you seemed to hold.

Good day, Sir.

Mining doesn't need "fixing".



Yes the premise of the game was for mining fleets with combat ships and miners working together. Because miners are out there mining solo as the "pvpers" are out there hopping 30 systems looking for action doesn't mean mining is broken, or that it can be improved in any meaningful way.

Start making defended mining fleets in low and null and see what happens.

then the pvp guys are the problem because they dont want to protect

well right know there is no need for it because miners can avoid loses if they are not afk
avoiding hostile players is number 1 Strategy and the only need for its is because pvp guys dont like to protect miners

i know that would be a dreamworld but that is how it should be

The fruits of the orchard hang off the tree branches.
Some fall to the ground.

None of the fruit come to my table, unless I go out and gather them, so I do this. I adapt to how my food is available, and so satisfy my hunger as a result.

With mining in EVE, I see an opportunity to grow and adapt, by replacing the missing PvP presence with our own PvP ability.
I would gather the ability unto myself, for self defense, beyond simple evasion.
You object to this desire to adapt to the reality that we find ourselves in.

I feel it is time to accept the limits of how players have shown their willingness to behave, and adapt.

We can cry about how the fruit does not come to our table by itself, or we can gather it and eat.
Have some fruit.