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Can't decide...buffer or active tanked Rupture?
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Ashcraft Acer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-02-14 04:18:52 UTC
So after all the enjoyment from my dual web Firetail I figured the Rupture would be able to just be it's big brother. I've ended up with a debate between a buffer or active tanked fit.

[Rupture, Buffer Fit]
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Warp Scrambler II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
10MN Afterburner II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


34k EHP
524 DPS/965 Volley with Hail
536m/s and Of course cap stable at 678%


[Rupture, Active Tank]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Warp Scrambler II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
10MN Afterburner II

425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I




13k EHP 210DPS tank
532 DPS/1009 Volley with Hail
616m/s 1minute 2s cap with all running, 6m 35s with repper off.

In true Minmatar fashion the second fit can have it's highs changed to dealer's choice. Neut can be swapped to heavy assault for a little more DPS and cap stability and the 425's can go down to 220's. I haven't used medium autocannons in a brawler setup before so not sure which would be better. The fit would be used for solo work, obviously the buffer would be for fleet ops.

Critique away! Any suggestions or criticisms welcome!
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2014-02-14 05:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
I am highly skeptical of your choice of prop mod.

I'm also curious as to why you opt for the launcher on the buffer setup and a neutralizer on the active setup.

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Mixu Paatelainen
Eve Refinery
#3 - 2014-02-14 11:18:02 UTC
Received wisdom with armour ruptures is to go for 220s or dual 180s as you sacrifice low slots you would otherwise have for tracking enhancers that broaden the spectrum of viable targets when using 425s.

Your dual webs mitigate this to an extent of course, however what's of more serious concern with your second fit is the very low EHP. T1 cruisers just don't have the resists to make plateless active tanking easy, so you really need to consider 800 plate + MAAR, or plate + MAR. Even then single active rep is going to be hard work. A Vexor does this job better.

I don't think the choice of AB is a bad one, depending on where you intend on using this, as with overheating it lets you scram kite effectively versus blaster ships.

In summary: stick with plate. I'd add neut in place of ham launcher as other poster said.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#4 - 2014-02-14 12:04:21 UTC
AB doesn't make a lot of sense unless you fully control the scenario and won't have to run from or kite bigger fish, also a fit really depends on what you're fighting, if you expect to run into frigates you'll fit differently compared to fighting cruisers/BC.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#5 - 2014-02-14 12:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
A one rep setup doesn't cut it.

High:
220mm II x 4
HAM II
Med:
10MN AB II
Medium Eletrochemical Cap Booster
Web II
Scram II
Low:
MAR II
EANM II x 2
DC II
MAAR
Rigs:
Auxilliary Nano Pump x 2
Projectile Burst

Drones:
Valkerie and four Hobs

It will tank 424 - 527 DPS depending on overheating. It puts out 404 - 450 DPS, again depending on overheating. If you are using the ship in low sec as I suspect you can fudge the DPS numbers higher using implants.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#6 - 2014-02-14 12:15:20 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
AB doesn't make a lot of sense unless you fully control the scenario and won't have to run from or kite bigger fish, also a fit really depends on what you're fighting, if you expect to run into frigates you'll fit differently compared to fighting cruisers/BC.




AB are very typical for the plex warfare common in FW. Besides, im thinking of throwing a mobile jump drive in the cargo hold for emergencies. Big smile
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2014-02-14 12:37:01 UTC
Don't use ab unless you know what you're doing and you're doing some special lolfit.

Also if you want to use a repper on a cruiser, dual rep that mother.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#8 - 2014-02-14 13:39:33 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
AB doesn't make a lot of sense unless you fully control the scenario and won't have to run from or kite bigger fish, also a fit really depends on what you're fighting, if you expect to run into frigates you'll fit differently compared to fighting cruisers/BC.




AB are very typical for the plex warfare common in FW. Besides, im thinking of throwing a mobile jump drive in the cargo hold for emergencies. Big smile


Sitting at a FW warp-in would be one of those controlled scenarios :P Also what Garviel stated; if you armour rep put an ancil and a normal one together.
Vervz
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-02-14 15:11:33 UTC
I always thought Arty = Rupture Auto C= Stabber?

I get some very good results shield tanking my stabber with an active tank, Or Buffer tanking armor with a plate and dual webs.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#10 - 2014-02-14 15:18:00 UTC
Vervz wrote:
I always thought Arty = Rupture Auto C= Stabber?

I get some very good results shield tanking my stabber with an active tank, Or Buffer tanking armor with a plate and dual webs.


strategies change over time, depending on rebalancing and changing meta or ideas. The AC Rupture got made "famous" by Garmon (he obviously wasn't the first but he made some funky vids using one). Some times you want arty, some times you want AC. Now that cruisers got rebalanced and shuffled around many old "truths" and statements regarding fits or strategies should be discarded.
Ashcraft Acer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-02-14 16:32:39 UTC
Thanks for all the advice everyone! Most of the PvP would be in controlled circumstances like FW, no way I'm chasing anyone down with an afterburner, lol. With the changes to the Rupture most of the old fits changed a good bit so enjoying the chance to try out new one's.

Taking your suggestions to mind, looking forward to blowing up a few :)