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Mario Putzo
#121 - 2014-02-13 21:43:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Divine Entervention wrote:

You are correct, I cannot know you. I can only know how you present yourself.

Everything you have done, without my observation, cannot be judged by me.

All I'm seeing is the "here and now".


You sound like an emotionally deprived individual who boarders on clinical depression.

The mental image I get from you is that of a 30something College grad who took something like liberal studies and feels that should entitle you to success. You also most likely have some type of disfigurement maybe a hump back or perhaps you are overweight. I also feel comfortable in assuming that you likely are a borderline alcoholic who uses it to escape from the miserable life you have created for yourself.

You turn to video games because it allows you to build up a fictional representation of yourself that has amounted to some success, fantasizing over your Blinged ship like it was the sports car you always wanted but could never get. You use the forums as an outlet for your emotional inefficiencies. Perhaps because you have no friends in the real world you need to turn to anonymous communities to generate some feel of acceptance.

No love, no money, no friends, a box of kleenex, a bottle of lubriderm, and /r/gonewild are all you have ever amounted to, and when Mom comes home you hope she will make you some dinner because at 30 you still can't feed yourself.

I got all of that from your posting. Like motherfucking Dr. Phil up in here.

Isn't it fun making personal assumptions based on posting?
Gyromite
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
#122 - 2014-02-13 21:44:21 UTC
I'm a negative, self-centered individual, and that's okay.
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#123 - 2014-02-13 21:48:21 UTC
Maxpie wrote:

New player tries out game.
Doesn't understand, loses ships.
Makes a whine thread on forums instead of asking for help or trying to understand
States that he will try to actively turn people away from the game, potentially ruining it for people who may have actually enjoyed the game
Community tells him to gtfo, nobody tries to teach or help him because he's a whiny little bastard
Newbie leaves.
We all pat each other on the back, we didn't want him anyway because no one likes ignorant whiners



Fixed that for you. hth

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#124 - 2014-02-13 21:48:26 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

You are correct, I cannot know you. I can only know how you present yourself.

Everything you have done, without my observation, cannot be judged by me.

All I'm seeing is the "here and now".


You sound like an emotionally deprived individual who boarders on clinical depression.

The mental image I get from you is that of a 30something College grad who took something like liberal studies and feels that should entitle you to success. You also most likely have some type of disfigurement maybe a hump back or perhaps you are overweight. I also feel comfortable in assuming that you likely are a borderline alcoholic who uses it to escape from the miserable life you have created for yourself.

You turn to video games because it allows you to build up a fictional representation of yourself that has amounted to some success, fantasizing over your Blinged ship like it was the sports car you always wanted but could never get. You use the forums as an outlet for your emotional inefficiencies. Perhaps because you have no friends in the real world you need to turn to anonymous communities to generate some feel of acceptance.

No love, no money, no friends, a box of kleenex, a bottle of lubriderm, and /r/gonewild are all you have ever amounted to, and when Mom comes home you hope she will make you some dinner because at 30 you still can't feed yourself.

I got all of that from your posting. Like motherfucking Dr. Phil up in here.

Isn't it fun making personal assumptions based on posting?


It seems as though a few things I've said have stirred you into an affected emotional state.

I am sorry that you feel it necessary to attempt to insult me, simply for stating I have a dislike for people who's goal is to inflict misery upon others.

Strangely, my stance has caused you to wish to inflict suffering upon me. I think you should re-read what it is you've typed, and analyze what your intention was upon it's submission.

If your goal is to upset me, why would you wish to do so?
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
#125 - 2014-02-13 21:52:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Themanfromdalmontee
Vageena Clatoris wrote:
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Right

Considering the fact that my oldest toon in eve is 6 years old and a very good IRL friend of mine also helped launch eve radio with the original eve radio founder way back when (don't know who runs eve radio now - weather its the original eve radio founder/s or not) and then you turn round and say I don't get the game either ?

Right, jog on mate ........


My oldest toon is 10 years old. I was at the EVE radio 24/7 launch party in Nottingham and have some rather interesting photos from that time. Including the moron who let us draw dicks all over him in perm marker. I have contacts that involve CCP/Blizzard and various other game developers...is that enough **** waving for you?

I was calling you out for not understanding EVE for this:

'No no its not consenting, consenting is invitation to duel. As opposed to a character with many millions of skill points facing a nhew player with say 500k SP max. Sorry but eve is ****** up in that respect. Other MMOs have a levelling mechanic so that the new player has at least an equal footing to the older character/player'

Consenting is playing the game, the game is open PVP but in high sec there are consequences to the action of attacking someone. If you feel those consequences aren't strong enough then please feel free to attempt to get into the CSM or become a game designer.

You seem to want to quash everyone's playstyle other than your limited view. And for full declaration I've been ganked in high sec, I've also ganked in high sec (granted it was some moron autopiloting a transport ship with loot inside).

Also a new player can kill a 10 year Vet straight out of the station. Please show me a game where a level 1 can kill a level 90.

Now back at cha with the jog on :P
Arcelian
0nus
#126 - 2014-02-13 21:53:18 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Arcelian wrote:
Unfortunately high sec IS a cess-pool. You don't know who your friends are, you don't know who your enemies are. I've seen on numerous occasions inside starter systems, right outside station undock, jet cans with the label "Free Treasure", and a battleship 50km away ready to alpha anyone dumb enough to take it.

I'm calling B.S.

That's a clear violation of CCP's policy about the care and handling of n00bs - They take that stuff seriously. If you saw such, and didn't petition it immediately, you've failed.


Yes it is. But ONLY in starter systems. Anywhere else it's perfectly legal. When I first started, I saw exactly this outside my first starter station, but the warning message that pops up and says "Hey, this is illegal" tipped me off not to do it. I don't know if this policy was in place back in 08, perhaps it was, perhaps not, but it did happen.

I gave a poor example, but really any kind of new player poaching is just dumb. Gonna gank this guys retriever "for the lolz" is pure cowardice, no two ways about it. Some may try to hide it behind a veil of "eve is tough, they must learn", but there is no challenge in ganking a newbie. Why is it always the miners complaining about it? Why not mission runners? Oh, because it's not as easy to destroy a ship designed for, you know, combat. I guess they will have to learn their eve lesson another way...

People do it because they can, and it does drive off new players....but we didn't want them anyway, right?

P.S- Tippia I usually agree with you on just about everything, very surprised about your stance on this.
Mario Putzo
#127 - 2014-02-13 21:53:32 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:

Strangely, my stance has caused you to wish to inflict suffering upon me. I think you should re-read what it is you've typed, and analyze what your intention was upon it's submission.

If your goal is to upset me, why would you wish to do so?


If you think anything I said is a wish to inflict suffering you are further gone then I imagined. My goal is to help you friend. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

Remember you are the one trolling EVEO mounted atop your noble white steed, rooting out the evil personalities of New Eden one at a time.

I wish you nothing but a healthy and successful future, but I can't change the vibe I get from you in the here and now.

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#128 - 2014-02-13 21:53:54 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
You turn to video games because it allows you to build up a fictional representation of yourself that has amounted to some success, fantasizing over your Blinged ship like it was the sports car you always wanted but could never get.

Sounds a bit like me, except instead of success or a sexy ship it's a dynamite ass, head-turning legs and an enviable set of abs.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Anslo
Scope Works
#129 - 2014-02-13 21:54:52 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

Strangely, my stance has caused you to wish to inflict suffering upon me. I think you should re-read what it is you've typed, and analyze what your intention was upon it's submission.

If your goal is to upset me, why would you wish to do so?


If you think anything I said is a wish to inflict suffering you are further gone then I imagined. My goal is to help you friend.


HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#130 - 2014-02-13 21:58:02 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

Strangely, my stance has caused you to wish to inflict suffering upon me. I think you should re-read what it is you've typed, and analyze what your intention was upon it's submission.

If your goal is to upset me, why would you wish to do so?


If you think anything I said is a wish to inflict suffering you are further gone then I imagined. My goal is to help you friend. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

Remember you are the one trolling EVEO mounted atop your noble white steed, rooting out the evil personalities of New Eden one at a time.

I wish you nothing but a healthy and successful future, but I can't change the vibe I get from you in the here and now.



That was a rather in-depth vibe you picked up. To have such a full understanding of what you pick up from a forum post, leads me to believe that the resonance is from within yourself instead.

I will not judge what you've described to me as most likely your own characteristics, but I will judge your attempt to try and paint me as such as a deficiency in your moral character.

I'm sorry for you.
Vorago Ignius
Chasm of Liberty
#131 - 2014-02-13 22:01:21 UTC
EvE has a steep learning curve.

getting scammed, griefed, suicide ganked, and so forth is among those things i guess everyone encounters.

This game has many villains but has at the very least as many, if not more, friendly experienced players, who are willing to help you, with no evil motives in mind.


lesson #1 don't hang out in asteroid belts too long.
Marsha Mallow
#132 - 2014-02-13 22:03:35 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

You are correct, I cannot know you. I can only know how you present yourself.

Everything you have done, without my observation, cannot be judged by me.

All I'm seeing is the "here and now".


You sound like an emotionally deprived individual who boarders on clinical depression.

The mental image I get from you is that of a 30something College grad who took something like liberal studies and feels that should entitle you to success. You also most likely have some type of disfigurement maybe a hump back or perhaps you are overweight. I also feel comfortable in assuming that you likely are a borderline alcoholic who uses it to escape from the miserable life you have created for yourself.

You turn to video games because it allows you to build up a fictional representation of yourself that has amounted to some success, fantasizing over your Blinged ship like it was the sports car you always wanted but could never get. You use the forums as an outlet for your emotional inefficiencies. Perhaps because you have no friends in the real world you need to turn to anonymous communities to generate some feel of acceptance.

No love, no money, no friends, a box of kleenex, a bottle of lubriderm, and /r/gonewild are all you have ever amounted to, and when Mom comes home you hope she will make you some dinner because at 30 you still can't feed yourself.

I got all of that from your posting. Like motherfucking Dr. Phil up in here.

Isn't it fun making personal assumptions based on posting?

You also sound like a mature, well adjusted individual with this post (who also happens to be playing a video game, but let's not even think about your motivations too much eh).

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Mario Putzo
#133 - 2014-02-13 22:04:27 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

Strangely, my stance has caused you to wish to inflict suffering upon me. I think you should re-read what it is you've typed, and analyze what your intention was upon it's submission.

If your goal is to upset me, why would you wish to do so?


If you think anything I said is a wish to inflict suffering you are further gone then I imagined. My goal is to help you friend. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

Remember you are the one trolling EVEO mounted atop your noble white steed, rooting out the evil personalities of New Eden one at a time.

I wish you nothing but a healthy and successful future, but I can't change the vibe I get from you in the here and now.



That was a rather in-depth vibe you picked up. To have such a full understanding of what you pick up from a forum post, leads me to believe that the resonance is from within yourself instead.

I will not judge what you've described to me as most likely your own characteristics, but I will judge your attempt to try and paint me as such as a deficiency in your moral character.

I'm sorry for you.


Dang ya got me. BRB Moms just pulled dinner out of the oven.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#134 - 2014-02-13 22:08:25 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
One of the most important skills to master in Eve is how to deal with loss.

Realize that your ship was simply a tool that served a purpose, detach yourself from the loss.
Once you do this, you can impartially analyze the events that led up to the loss, and how best to avoid them in the future.
Learn from each loss, do not repeat past mistakes, and always make new mistakes.

No one has ever gotten good at eve without ship losses. Embrace it.
voetius
Grundrisse
#135 - 2014-02-13 22:11:36 UTC
Pasir Makbema wrote:
Hello,

Gonna make this short, new players, do not subscribe to this game for the ubers will **** you and the asteroid fields, giving u no chance to play.

Harrassment by players putting bounties on you for no reason is no way to welcome new players who have a hard enough time learning the game.

Like all games, EVE is too old with too many grumps having free time to screw other players.

I have uninstalled the game, and will follow up with a detailed explanation of why this skinners bag is too full.
That will be on my forums.

GL you old ubers, there will be no new blood for this game if i can help it.


If you are looking for advice as a new player you are better off posting in New Player Q&A.

EVE has rules about "griefing" new players, have a look in the Evelopedia under Starter Systems or Rookie Systems.

As no-one else has mentioned it I'd like to point out it's Skinner Box not Skinner Bag.
Mario Putzo
#136 - 2014-02-13 22:15:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Marsha Mallow wrote:

You also sound like a mature, well adjusted individual with this post (who also happens to be playing a video game, but let's not even think about your motivations too much eh).


This is true you raise a good point. Ill tell you why I play video games though.

To escape from the daily grind and for entertainment. TV sucks and for a fraction of the price I can play a video game. I like EVE because you can do a lot of things, and the people are generally pretty chill. But mostly I play to escape from my job. I hate my job, but I have to do my job because well, It helps people who are worse off then I am. See I listen to people complain about how their lives suck all day long, some peoples lives actually suck, some people just have a mental block. Having spent 7 years studying sociology and psychology though put me into a position where I can help them. So I do what I must. Getting a phone call in the middle of the night because someone got boozed up and thinks they are going to kill themselves puts quite a lot of strain on me both mentally and physically (you would be surprised how much a loaded mind can impact the body).

I think we all play games to escape something, I play because I can sit down and relax, let my mind focus not on the various issues I have, and that others who I help have. But issues like, why does this miner have so much ISK, and how can I help him spend it.


Sometimes though I see a soul in need of help, and will extend my services to them. Thats why I like MMO's I can escape my life, but also have a positive impact on others. If they wish to let me.


I am a psychologist, and I play EVE Online.

Edit: And while I say I hate my job, I also love it. There is immense satisfaction to hear someone say thanks for helping me get over my "whatever". That is the only true reward in life, and it is the reason I do what I do. Everyone suffers some mental issues, and often times all they need is to have someone listen.
Marie Trudeau
Trudeau Industrie SA
#137 - 2014-02-13 22:17:42 UTC
In EVE you have to be careful not to judge what people are doing in the game by the standards of ethics in the real world, outside the game.

By design, EVE is a universe that encourages people behaving in ways that they would otherwise not do in real life, for ethical reasons. Theft, murder, scamming, monopolization, protection rackets -- the works. This is, again, by design. It's part of the fun for quite a significant percentage of the players precisely because it is different from how they behave in real life.

Real world ethics don't apply in a video game environment until you are actually dealing with someone outside the game (i.e., out of game commerce, out of game communication, out of game meetings and so on). Inside the gameworld, there is no ethical system that applies, because it is all virtual and has no connection to anything in the real world other than your paid sub (if you do pay one).

It's not unsurprising that many players, old and new, make this mistake of applying real world ethics in this environment. I think it's perhaps other MMOs try to import some real world ethics into their own game designs through restrictions that, in some ways, are designed to match some real world ethical conceptions of fairness and appropriateness and so on. EVE was not designed like that -- by contrast, it was designed to be a world without many restrictions at all, and with an emphasis on consequences rather than restrictions. This is a very deliberate design. Unfortunately some people have a hard time accepting this and adjusting to it. That's okay, because it probably means they're a bad fit for the game.

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#138 - 2014-02-13 22:26:34 UTC
Marie Trudeau wrote:
In EVE you have to be careful not to judge what people are doing in the game by the standards of ethics in the real world, outside the game.

By design, EVE is a universe that encourages people behaving in ways that they would otherwise not do in real life, for ethical reasons. Theft, murder, scamming, monopolization, protection rackets -- the works. This is, again, by design. It's part of the fun for quite a significant percentage of the players precisely because it is different from how they behave in real life.

Real world ethics don't apply in a video game environment until you are actually dealing with someone outside the game (i.e., out of game commerce, out of game communication, out of game meetings and so on). Inside the gameworld, there is no ethical system that applies, because it is all virtual and has no connection to anything in the real world other than your paid sub (if you do pay one).

It's not unsurprising that many players, old and new, make this mistake of applying real world ethics in this environment. I think it's perhaps other MMOs try to import some real world ethics into their own game designs through restrictions that, in some ways, are designed to match some real world ethical conceptions of fairness and appropriateness and so on. EVE was not designed like that -- by contrast, it was designed to be a world without many restrictions at all, and with an emphasis on consequences rather than restrictions. This is a very deliberate design. Unfortunately some people have a hard time accepting this and adjusting to it. That's okay, because it probably means they're a bad fit for the game.



The people who play EvE are real people. Why should you not treat them as such?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#139 - 2014-02-13 22:29:10 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:


The people who play EvE are real people. Why should you not treat them as such?


Because bot miners aren't people, for one.

Secondly, no, they aren't. They're an avatar, a pixelated image that was created by someone in the real world. Someone with an unhealthy inability to separate the game from reality would say that they're all real people, but in the end they're not.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#140 - 2014-02-13 22:30:51 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Marie Trudeau wrote:
In EVE you have to be careful not to judge what people are doing in the game by the standards of ethics in the real world, outside the game.

By design, EVE is a universe that encourages people behaving in ways that they would otherwise not do in real life, for ethical reasons. Theft, murder, scamming, monopolization, protection rackets -- the works. This is, again, by design. It's part of the fun for quite a significant percentage of the players precisely because it is different from how they behave in real life.

Real world ethics don't apply in a video game environment until you are actually dealing with someone outside the game (i.e., out of game commerce, out of game communication, out of game meetings and so on). Inside the gameworld, there is no ethical system that applies, because it is all virtual and has no connection to anything in the real world other than your paid sub (if you do pay one).

It's not unsurprising that many players, old and new, make this mistake of applying real world ethics in this environment. I think it's perhaps other MMOs try to import some real world ethics into their own game designs through restrictions that, in some ways, are designed to match some real world ethical conceptions of fairness and appropriateness and so on. EVE was not designed like that -- by contrast, it was designed to be a world without many restrictions at all, and with an emphasis on consequences rather than restrictions. This is a very deliberate design. Unfortunately some people have a hard time accepting this and adjusting to it. That's okay, because it probably means they're a bad fit for the game.



The people who play EvE are real people. Why should you not treat them as such?


If real people woke up in clone vats every time they died, the cashier casualty rate at McDonald's would be MUCH higher.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler