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Eve University Offensive Combat Operations in Placid Region

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Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#61 - 2014-02-13 19:29:47 UTC
Iwan Terpalen wrote:
So, the take-away messages: E-UNI pilots are eager beavers, mixed fleets are a pain in the backside, diplomacy is best conducted in private, and friendship isn't a transitive relation.

That about right?


I believe we have also learned that a sporty Amarrian frigate, when flown by eager new pilots, fares poorly against Gallente drone cruisers.

Doubtlessly, a certain large, anonymous alliance will leverage this knowledge to terrifying effect.
Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#62 - 2014-02-13 19:58:54 UTC
To put this little tea-pot drama in context, and to clarify why GMVA went public with our decision to terminate the NAP with EVE-UNI, there is a public record posted over on my galnet accounts and elsewhere, of Eve University pilots acting in bad faith and provoking aggression against Gallente Militia pilots, including many inside of GMVA.

Numerous GMVA and Gallente Militia pilots can testify to this record, and these events have been ongoing for the past 3 months or more, even before official Eve-uni operations began in the Placid region.

These provocations led to GMVA to seek a positive and amicable settlement and NAP agreement between the two parties.

Eve University, with their public statements and unprofessional fleet behavior, and their public announcement to conduct a campaign of piracy against Gallente Militia pilots, has given us cause to terminate this agreement.

That's all there is to it, really. We will not stand idly by while Eve University attacks our brothers in arms under a false flag of truce.

Julianus Soter

Executor, GMVA

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-02-13 20:47:30 UTC
Mr. Soter, it seems that EVE University has publicly clarified that they did not intend on attacking your pilots. In addition, they have offered you and other Gallente corporations in the region to have their standings changed to a desired level.

Until I see evidence that supports that EVE University have maliciously targeted pilots of Villore Accords and other Militia groups under a false flag operation, then I have to say I stand by the University.

They are offering peace Mr. Soter, what have you offered?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#64 - 2014-02-13 20:54:32 UTC
You can not set standings with the Federal Defense Union. Nor can the Federal Defense Union set standings with Eve University.

I do not speak for the four thousand or so pilots inside that corporation, but I would deem any NBSI policy a direct threat to my survival under such circumstances.

That is what I speak of here.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-02-13 20:59:14 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
You can not set standings with the Federal Defense Union. Nor can the Federal Defense Union set standings with Eve University.

I do not speak for the four thousand or so pilots inside that corporation, but I would deem any NBSI policy a direct threat to my survival under such circumstances.

That is what I speak of here.


In which case, all you need to do is make sure EVE Uni has your corporation and your alliance as blue. They appear to be willing to make that easy for you to do, they even have a handy Galnet page.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Anslo
Scope Works
#66 - 2014-02-13 21:07:45 UTC
I changed my mind. When are Villore Accords active deployment hours?

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Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#67 - 2014-02-13 21:19:09 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
You can not set standings with the Federal Defense Union. Nor can the Federal Defense Union set standings with Eve University.

I do not speak for the four thousand or so pilots inside that corporation, but I would deem any NBSI policy a direct threat to my survival under such circumstances.

That is what I speak of here.


In which case, all you need to do is make sure EVE Uni has your corporation and your alliance as blue. They appear to be willing to make that easy for you to do, they even have a handy Galnet page.


That does not protect Federal Defense Union pilots, who are inside a Gallente Federally-Administrated Non-Capsuleer Corporation (NPC CORP), from pirate attacks by Eve University.

This is the entire crux of the issue at this point.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#68 - 2014-02-13 21:21:14 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
but I would deem any NBSI policy a direct threat to my survival under such circumstances.

That is what I speak of here.


This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you make statements on behalf of your group and cast your reputation as a fearless leader in stone. I'm in awe, Msr. Soter.
I'm that much in awe, I beseech E-UNI to grant this wish for positive standings, so that this hero of the federation can catch a decent night's sleep again.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Julianus Soter
Blades of Liberty
#69 - 2014-02-13 21:27:40 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
but I would deem any NBSI policy a direct threat to my survival under such circumstances.

That is what I speak of here.


This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you make statements on behalf of your group and cast your reputation as a fearless leader in stone. I'm in awe, Msr. Soter.
I'm that much in awe, I beseech E-UNI to grant this wish for positive standings, so that this hero of the federation can catch a decent night's sleep again.


If you could drop your mindless pro-Caldari propaganda for a moment, you'd realize what I meant.

The pilots recently entering into a faction warfare militia, whether it is the State Protectorate, or the Federal Defense union, will see EVE-Uni pilots in system. Given their normally peaceful reputation, and public support by CONCORD, these new recruits may assume them to be non-combatants in the faction warfare zone.

They will not attempt to act defensively as these Eve-Uni pilots enter the area and proceed to aggressively hunt down and destroy the "non-blues" inside system.

This is not a hypothetical, it will be reality in a few weeks.

Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/

Vlad Cetes
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#70 - 2014-02-13 21:37:36 UTC
This thread reminds me of little children bickering back and forth.

If you have an issue, load weapons and engage the targets. Destroy the enemy before it can destroy you.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#71 - 2014-02-13 21:43:27 UTC
Vlad Cetes wrote:
This thread reminds me of little children bickering back and forth.

If you have an issue, load weapons and engage the targets. Destroy the enemy before it can destroy you.

This.

Not Blue; Shoot It. If it's blue and shoots you, make it not Blue.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#72 - 2014-02-13 21:59:13 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:

If you could drop your mindless pro-Caldari propaganda for a moment, you'd realize what I meant.

The pilots recently entering into a faction warfare militia, whether it is the State Protectorate, or the Federal Defense union, will see EVE-Uni pilots in system. Given their normally peaceful reputation, and public support by CONCORD, these new recruits may assume them to be non-combatants in the faction warfare zone.

They will not attempt to act defensively as these Eve-Uni pilots enter the area and proceed to aggressively hunt down and destroy the "non-blues" inside system.

This is not a hypothetical, it will be reality in a few weeks.



Then these new recruits will learn the lesson that where neutral capsuleers are concerned it's often a more prudent choice to shoot first and ask questions later, because more likely than not if they're in low-sec they're not there to have a vacation and offer you a friendly drink. To trust no one except those who have proved their loyalty while keeping your safeties off at all times seems a far better lesson learned than the example of public mewling you have managed to set.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2014-02-13 22:11:00 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
You can not set standings with the Federal Defense Union. Nor can the Federal Defense Union set standings with Eve University.

I do not speak for the four thousand or so pilots inside that corporation, but I would deem any NBSI policy a direct threat to my survival under such circumstances.

That is what I speak of here.


In which case, all you need to do is make sure EVE Uni has your corporation and your alliance as blue. They appear to be willing to make that easy for you to do, they even have a handy Galnet page.


That does not protect Federal Defense Union pilots, who are inside a Gallente Federally-Administrated Non-Capsuleer Corporation (NPC CORP), from pirate attacks by Eve University.

This is the entire crux of the issue at this point.



Ah I see your point now. In which case I can't blame you for feeling the way you do.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#74 - 2014-02-13 22:24:09 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Julianus Soter wrote:
You can not set standings with the Federal Defense Union. Nor can the Federal Defense Union set standings with Eve University.

I do not speak for the four thousand or so pilots inside that corporation, but I would deem any NBSI policy a direct threat to my survival under such circumstances.

That is what I speak of here.


In which case, all you need to do is make sure EVE Uni has your corporation and your alliance as blue. They appear to be willing to make that easy for you to do, they even have a handy Galnet page.


That does not protect Federal Defense Union pilots, who are inside a Gallente Federally-Administrated Non-Capsuleer Corporation (NPC CORP), from pirate attacks by Eve University.

This is the entire crux of the issue at this point.



Ah I see your point now. In which case I can't blame you for feeling the way you do.

But shooting them first does protect them from said pirate attacks. It also has the added bonus of teaching Eve University students not to pick on big bad cruiser fleets in tiny frigate blobs. Just think of it as educating the youth of the cluster. Big smile

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#75 - 2014-02-13 22:30:15 UTC
Oh, I didn't know Villore Accords was in the business of safeguarding the mercenary staple of the FDU. Roll

-Eran
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#76 - 2014-02-13 22:38:41 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:
The pilots recently entering into a faction warfare militia, whether it is the State Protectorate, or the Federal Defense union, will see EVE-Uni pilots in system. Given their normally peaceful reputation, and public support by CONCORD, these new recruits may assume them to be non-combatants in the faction warfare zone.

Boom. Well there's their biggest mistake right there.

To share, or advocate, such a naive viewpoint doesn't speak highly of you or your pilots sir.

And you may well throw in the State Protectorate, and even Matari milita's into your statement there, but the fact remains it's you lot who're the only ones making an IGS thread complaining and whining about the situation. This only reinforces my first point.

I think you're in the wrong career Mr Soter.

You do however have lovely cheek bones and a prominent chin that a holocam would love. Every considered modelling?

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Azmodeus Valar
EVE University
Ivy League
#77 - 2014-02-13 23:01:28 UTC
As I have stated numerous times, we have an open policy for non-aggression pacts.

If the Gallente Federation would like to request a non-aggression pact and guarantee that members of its militia will not attack EVE University fleets as they have done in the past, we would gladly grant it. In the absence of such a request, I must assume that the Federation is aware that some of its militia pilots seem more interested in attacking non-aligned entities instead of their sworn enemies, and approve of our actions.

CEO of Eve University

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#78 - 2014-02-13 23:18:10 UTC
Julianus Soter wrote:


If you could drop your mindless pro-Caldari propaganda for a moment, you'd realize what I meant.

The pilots recently entering into a faction warfare militia, whether it is the State Protectorate, or the Federal Defense union, will see EVE-Uni pilots in system. Given their normally peaceful reputation, and public support by CONCORD, these new recruits may assume them to be non-combatants in the faction warfare zone.

They will not attempt to act defensively as these Eve-Uni pilots enter the area and proceed to aggressively hunt down and destroy the "non-blues" inside system.

This is not a hypothetical, it will be reality in a few weeks.



Being a bit full of ourselves today, eh, mocking you is hardly 'Pro-Caldari-Propaganda'. I couldn't create better propaganda for our case half as good as you manage on your own.
Regarding the matter at hand: It is hardly news for everyone who's out there. We've had stand-ins with them the moment we've moved up into Essence, so your information seems to be oldish. Also people lingering around military installations are hardly tourists, especially if they appear in force.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#79 - 2014-02-14 00:39:16 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Mr. Soter, it seems that EVE University has publicly clarified that they did not intend on attacking your pilots. In addition, they have offered you and other Gallente corporations in the region to have their standings changed to a desired level.


Julianus Soter wrote:
You can not set standings with the Federal Defense Union. Nor can the Federal Defense Union set standings with Eve University.


These are both good arguments, which does indeed create a bit of a conundrum. Straight
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#80 - 2014-02-14 00:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Katherine Devonshire
I would like to propose a draft of a suggestion, based on the Red vs Blue Alliance model.

Being that the EvE University wishes to train it's capsuleers in the art of fighting against other capsuleers in low-security space, specifically a known warzone between both Federation and State forces, that the most politically neutral method of doing this is as follows:

That EvE University, or more specifically, the Ivy League, create two new identical holding companies within their structure expressly for the duration of this event. Each of these new corporations shall then enlist these training companies on opposing sides of the conflict - in this case, the Federal Defense Union and the State Protectorate, respectively. An equal number of training pilots and instructors shall then been assigned to each company for their training.

Thus the pilots can receive their combat experience & training within already existing Rules of Engagements structures as established by CONCORD. Said ROEs are already well known & public knowledge, thereby eliminating any possibility of miscommunications of intent or purpose. Furthermore, this isolates those capsullers undergoing this training process from the rest of EvE University, so as to avoid making the entire organization a target in retaliation.