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didnt ccp a few years back take issue with fatbee's pickelhaube and make some crazy abomination of their own

you can own that one ok

It seems some players were confused whether they were subscribing for $14.99 / 1month or $38.99 / 3months. We have Clarified(TM) that everyone will now be billed $150 / 12months.


I wonder if CCP pink slips have the headline Clarification On Your Employment?


Duncebee never forget.

It was absolutely a "metaphysical discussion about rights" that you jumped into the middle of. Next time be more careful about distinguishing between a discussion of legal rights, and the application in the real world (both were occuring) and we won't need to waste time clarifying the discussion for you.

The company or person receiving any kind of C&D decides what to do with it themselves. In this case CCP is claiming ownership of things they don't own, which hilariously enough, were the Goonswarm logo to be part of any takedown like a DMCA would mean they've likely perjured themselves as they have to declare ownership of the material to be taken down. C&D compliance is voluntary. I find it hard to believe that Cafepress all on its lonesome took down alliance logo gear though but rather received some wording from CCP that was as overly broad as the statement here and crapped themselves and pulled down everything. That OR CCP SAID they owned said logos, falsely, and Cafepress merely complied with the C&D. Since we've not seen it nobody knows.

Right, so what about third party rights as per my first post? The response has so far been 'they don't need rights because we own it anyway' which is not useful.

Except that in this case we could simply prove to Cafepress that we own the logo because we do. We and Cafepress would then have a potential issue with sorting out any potential damages related to CCP's false claims of ownership. What CCP is doing here is granting a license to share with Cafepress for content CCP doesn't own which in and of itself is pretty hilarious.

Cafepress could still decide not to do business with us because CCP could continue threatening them and they're bigger than we are in their own minds - See: Candy Crush Saga in the recent news.

:edit: Countdown to CCP buying a game with the words "goon" or "swarm" in it with a bee for cover are that predates the forming of Goonswarm and threatening to sue for prior art a la King

interestingly the licence agreement doesn't purport to give you the right to use (your own) IP out of game for things like your alliance's website or killboard, just the merch

so you'd have to ask nicely to have your own logo on your own killboard or internal forums

No need. CCP is the one who would need to defend it by asserting their rights to someone else's property. Best of luck to them in that regard.

:edit: There are so many things that make that paragraph completely unenforceable it's pretty hilariously dumb. There are rights you just can't give up. What if I upload a coke logo? What if I use my real name? What if I send a friend a file? They cannot blanket lay claim to other's property merely because it passed through their servers. If that were the case you'd see this paragraph in the EULA of every ISP on the planet and they'd own everything.

This paragraph is just plainly dumb.

:edit2: As is the idea that if you can't assign the rights you somehow have the power to grant a license instead. UGH MY HEAD IS BREAKING FROM THIS

Just ran a quick diff, the only change to current is replacing sublicensable with sub-licensable

The reasons why that doesn't apply to the VOLT logo are in my original post here. The third point, at least, should apply to any alliance who's logo was submitted under the old system. The others will depend on circumstances.

The new license doesn't affect anyone until they accept it. (new submissions will be forced to)

There is no way VOLT would willingly accept this agreement.

I would happily grant a royalty free, permanent, non-exclusive license. In fact we already have by releasing under Creative Commons. We still have the one that was emailed to CCP, we'd even be ok with giving them an exclusive license to that one, since the odd submission requirements made for a crappy looking file. They've not responded to the offer yet.

CCP just wants to make as much money as they can off of all the IP contained in their game. For example, if at some point CCP wanted to be able to sell alliance merchandise themselves then they would need the legal right too.

Since it is used so much, let us use Goonswarm. If CCP eventually wants to sell GSF logo shirts as another way to make money they would need rights to do. They would also need the ability to tell GSF to stop providing items for sell using the name/logo. Then, CCP could open an "alliance merchandise shop" and sell custom stuff with alliance logos while preventing anyone else from doing so.

GREAT WORK CCP. While it is nice that we are allowed to create in-game logo's and names, CCP most certainly does NOT own my character name or any group names i create and I use them in other games and media and own registered domains with them as well.

Now, for marketing purposes they can use what they want to promote their game, as long as it comes from within the game, but if they were to ever make a show or comic, etc, they would still have to get the permission of those involved to feature them/their group in a show/movie.

For example, I don't think they can make a movie called "GOONS VS NCDOT" without getting both parties permission to feature them in a medium that is not within the game itself. So even if their cute little EULA meant something in the long rung, they still would have issues from other areas, not just a logo. However, if they made an EVE promotional video and featured real groups, then they would be able to do that.

If all games tried to be this picky about IP stuff then there would be no branding and we would have to use different names in ever game we play. That is BS and not conducive to a good gaming experience.

Regardless of whether my examples work, this just seems like CCP is saying "we have more money then you, so if you disagree COME AT ME BRO". that is just sad. CCP are griefers. LOL.