EVE General Discussion

Why not just blitz level 4s? Safe, short, consistant. When you don't have time to invest a couple hours just blitz a mission it will take 20 minutes tops to complete. When you have a few hours to spend join a small roam fleet.

That's the joy of exploration when you get a good drop

OK, let's assume you play 1 hour / day, 30 days / month = 30 game hours.

Let's assume further you want a plex to keep your account going every month, plus 15 million / day for skillbooks/ general stuff / replacing T1 frigs lost in PvP (T1 frigs are all you can afford I would suggest).

Also assume you PvP half the time you are online.

So you need about 1,100 million / month (assume 650M per plex).
That works out to about 37M /hour you need to generate.
But if you are PvP'ing in RvB half the time, then you are looking at needing 75M / hour in your "grind time".

OK, contrary to what the goons will tell you, there is zero chance of making 75M / hour in missions. If you even attempt to factor in LP into the mix, you also have to add hauling/mfg time for those LP items to a trade hub, which will cut into your precious grind time time.

Trading takes a big stake to start, and given the way you are talking, I don't think you have that stake.

Incursions on a daily basis are out, because you will quickly earn a bad rep of jumping in and out of fleets, plus the travel time to various incursion areas will cut bigtime into your play time.

Now, if you cut back your PvP time to a third of your play time from half, and can manage to book off a 3 hour block of time every week, you can manage this, doing incursions, just maybe, if you run in the good shield HQ fleets, but just barely.

In that 3 hour bloc, assume 30 minutes travel time and wait time to get into a good fleet.
Then you make 90M/hour for the next 2.5 hours = 225M for that session. (A lot of people will try to say you can make a LOT more than that in a good shield incursion fleet, but your own wallet will show you the truth).

So if you run incursions once/week (3 of your 7 available hours), you are looking at about 900 M /month.
The other 150 M /month, well, I would say one or 2 one hour sessions per week of L4's should top you up, leaving 2-3 hours / week for RvB.

Anything else is not a predictable, reliable source of income.

…aside from it being very possible four years ago when it was harder to do so than it is today. So not only is there a good chance to get to 75M; there's a decent chance to make even more than that.

Factoring in LP means you can off-load much of your earning to the time you're not on — hauling takes 5 minutes a month and other bits of the process (like manufacturing) doesn't actually take any time away from what you're doing.

Also, if you're a casual player, PLEXing is pretty darn stupid since it just means you waste a lot of your precious time in order to ensure you can waste a lot of time.

Geez. Learn Russian then go out in their area and rag them in local for an hour!
Lord knows most of us would just LOVE to be able to do that!

Я не знаю, что вы только что сказал.

Things i did to finance my RvB ships (deffo join RvB, it teaches you tons without being handheld):

None of these things are effective (for isk/hour i do incursions or FW):

-Fly around hisec asteroid belts in a awrpspeed rigged inty and farm faction spawns. Gets you low grade pirate implants, you see the world and at least half your loot will come from ninjalooting faction wrecks from miners with loads of tears.

-Rat in lowsec in high dps frigates for clone soldiers. Gets your adrenaline pumping a bit as a complete noob and teaches you the basics how to stay alive without concord protection in cheap ships.

-Find a big red dot on the map in nullsec, fly there in an inty and salvage t2 wrecks (best source of negative income).

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Just be creative. You can make 5-10mil/hour for cheap RvB frigs in

Buy plex and cutout the grind.

I'd second trading -- it doesn't take much time, and you can make a LOT of money once you learn the market prices a bit better and have high enough trade skills to lower cost and increase order volumes and the like.

Level 4s if you have the skills will get you decent ISK, too, but takes a bit more time.

What's everyone else in CVA doing? Anoms in Providence?

Meh, it's ok, I think he is just reinforcing the idea that I'm asking for too much and PLEX'ing would save a lot of hassles, which it would

I had two accounts, that I merged, since I knew I'd be unable to have time after the op to use them, so I'm saving one account worth of cash each month, so the odd injection of PLEX would cover the slow isk making periods, and not hurt any real wallets.

I do appreciate all the advice, as I have a better grasp now knowing a few people play with smaller chunks of time ans single accounts. Since I do have 3 toons on the account, and all 3 have different skill sets, I'll spread them around so I can use the time chunks I get, to manage a few basic ideas.

Does anyone here "farm" L4's over and over after DT without completing them? Is that still possible or has CCP changed it?

Some people do, but it's not as profitable as blitzing. Farming the same missions over and over again is a little more casual and low-pressure than blitzing though.