EVE General Discussion

You mean, a fantasy system that has no comparison in real life. Like, where concentration of fire is the absolute key to victory. Maybe the WOW people would be interested in such a system. EVE while not being real, does try to model at least some aspects of reality faithfully.

I think you're onto something. same should go for bonuses, like in Hearts of Iron III. Boosts at squad level give 100% to all members. Boosts from wing would give 50% and from Fleet 25%.

In Hearts of Iron III they stack, so links could use some rebalancing if this was considered, and it would probably tie up more players in command ships, if that's good or bad I don't know.

Not to mention the requirement in real life not to shoot through other people, tanks, ships. I'm not sure shooting citadel torps or 3500mms through another dread or carrier qualifies as the reality faithful :)

Actually, it's about making fleet combat more interesting then everyone shooting the FC's target. Its so mindlessly boring, no wonder people would rather use drone assist and go afk for the fight.

Ah yes, when you realize your point doesn't make sense, renew the assault with the dictionary. Priceless. Lets argue definitions!

And yes, remote repping can "fail" or else no ship would ever get destroyed when there were remote reps on the field, even if they are "doing it correctly."

You might be talking about a different game? We're talking about EVE.

This would be the one way to "fix" the n+1 problem EVE is always going to face. I don't think there is any way in hell that it could work from a pure software/hardware standpoint, but if the game actually tracked projectile/missile/hybrid/missile attacks it would add a whole new dimension to the game.

Your arty shot might miss the ship you were shooting at, but hit the ship behind your target. Or, your fleet mate could drift in front of your guns and take a full salvo to the face, dying to friendly fire. Meanwhile, the odd interceptor is getting creamed because he flew through the middle of 1000 Maelstroms firing a timed salvo at the enemy fleet.

Friendly fire, projectiles that keep on flying into the sunset, and ship positioning would, at a minimum, make blob fleets have to think harder/pilot better. I'd be all for it, but I know the servers couldn't handle it, so meh.

It's always gonna be a numbers game.

Neslon should have paid more attention to infantry tactics!

So what you are saying is give everything in eve 1/4 hit points so numbers just mean you probably have no justification for being in the fleet if there's over 255 dudes there already?

This holds true in Naval Warfare & Aerial Warfare as well, and especially submarine warfare, which is the closest thing to our flight mechanics. If someone is taking evasive action, they aren't concentrating as much on putting damage onto you. If you have to execute a radical turn, radar may loose target lock for a second, guided munitions may loose track during that second, guns may be thrown off by sudden manoeuvring.

If instead they can cruise straight and steady and the only thing they have to worry about it putting lead onto you, their fire will be more accurate. Not just infantry tactics, but at any level, infantry, armour, ships, aircraft, subs, this holds true on all of them.

So, what if you took a 10-20% DPS loss when someone has damaged you in the last 15 seconds? Or a 10-20% DPS gain if no-one has damaged you in the last 15 seconds. Depending if you want to make ships die faster or if you want to increase ship life on which way you go. Suddenly F1 follow the target BC's is not the optimal for the entire fleet. A steady stream of bombs to keep them moving while still not actually doing critical damage, smart bombing warp in & out ships.... There could be a threshold if people worry about newbie ships I guess.

A significant portion of the fleet can still F1 for the alpha damage, but you start to want some of your ships to un-group their guns, and spread fire, in order to maximise the impact on the enemy fleet. Then Ewar comes into play by trying to keep your highest DPS ships from being disrupted, or at least the ships being disrupted the least, in order to raise your fleet effectiveness. And tactics play a larger part. So you haven't lost the idea of focused fire. You just aren't focusing every single weapon at one target, just a majority of the fire-power while trying to suppress the rest a bit.

This would also impact PvE, making missions with 2 players (Or at least 2 accounts, but we can't prevent that) far better than 1, since 2 players chances are someone wouldn't be taking fire at any particular time. Which is an interesting follow on of encouraging fleeting for PvE also.

This is a discussion, I don't have an absolute position on the topic. (otherwise I would never have brought up distributed fire standing orders).

The problem with diminishing is that as you close on fully diminished, diminished reps beats diminished guns, or diminished guns beats diminished reps, and will always do so, and that is kind of meh predictable outcome that is even more boring than current.