EVE General Discussion

So, my next alt cannot, in fact, be named Magic Fingers?

I can certainly say that anytime you make something or create an object, by all legal means it is YOUR Item, not CCP's and if you want to resell on the open market away from Eveonline then you have that right to do so. Irregardless of the EULA claims of owning your items not under their control, you do have recourse in a court of law here in the states because CCP does maintain an office here stateside.
I am also referencing this by the fact I am also in Second Life as well and we have our hands full even there with Interllectual Property rights as well but being it's bit more liberal there so there is a difference between the two communities.

I have quite a bit of experience in this regards as to who owns what, this is why there is a Creative Commons License available for you to use and to fall back on, for example, if I take a screenshot here in Eveonline, who owns the copy right to that image?? I do, as long as I have it on my documents folder then that image becomes my property under the CC License, does CCP profit?? no, because under the definitions then that image is mine and I can use it along with my CC License which is predominately displayed on my webspages in a manner to which I use them for, do I advertise? no.

I just simple use that image as a means to bolster any thoughts or ideas to which I claim ownership.

As far as selling TShirts with your logo and names, then I'd go for it.

Prof. DMccleary, Diplomat at Large.

Maybe I will be put in a glass box at the CCP office unless I take off my arm

Ok at the topic at hand. While it sounds unfortunate that this is happening, I decided to check this out. And tbh I don't really think CCP did this because you wanted your corp members to get a tshirt...

There's plenty of items in your "store" from mousepads, to wall-clocks and clothes (some by the looks semi expensive, but then I don't know the base cost for the item so price could be all valid and no money made on a sale).

It does however get presented heavily with the "EVE Online" title/tag though, and that could probably be a reason for CCP to do this as to me, it sort of looks like an advertisement rather than a small litte store for your corp (as they probably wouldn't need to include the word "eve online" for their search).

However, with that said, I don't really see CCP (or any company with a similar situation) really have much against this, since it's sorta your logo (unless you had CCP make it for you) but the lawyer you spoke to, of course needs to go within their EULA/ToS line else where would you draw the line?

CCP does encourage people making shirts for their members, but I do believe when that turns into what looks like a money-making-thing they will ask you to stop, and it's just my view but it looks to be a bit more than just a a t-shirt...

Hopefully you will still be able to provide your members with neat t-shirts by other means.

update/after also now reading through the whole link, I'm fairly sure that it was due to the reasons I thought myself when looking into things, namely the heavily use of "eve online" as title/tag for the items rather than just your TVC.

/c

I wanted to mention this.

It's the same situation as Bethesda vs Mojang in the Scrolls copyright claim.

If they don't show that they are "actively trying to protect their IP" they're pretty much losing their right to do so on the future.

Because copyright laws are a convoluted mess.

I doubt there's anyone excited at CCP that they have to claim the IP that was made by OP.

UC?

We've been working on this situation since December, when the original issue surfaced.

We've been in contact with the concerned parties throughout this process, and I've been in close contact with our legal department to make sure that the situation is resolved.

As with everything involving law, resolutions of these issues take a little time. We were actually intending on putting out a Dev Blog in the next few days to clarify the situation for the community and make sure that there were no issues in future with people using their alliance logos, and providing documentation that our players could use to prevent third party sites from removing their alliance themed items from their online stores.

I'm very much of the opinion that Alliance identity is extremely important to our community, and after explaining this to our legal department they were extremely receptive with regards to coming to an amicable agreement that benefits everyone.

It's a shame to see that rather than wait for a civil resolution to the situation, people have chosen to jump the gun and try to create drama from it.

We'll have a short Dev Blog in the next couple of days that will explain the situation and clarify things.

Bullying?

Did you read the email from the lawyer?

CafePress took down the shirts in response to a general request from CCP to remove unlicensed EVE product purely due to the products being described as EVE related.

Get a grip.

Keeping other people informed is quite important actually, Brave Collective needs an alliance Logo, and copyright stuff is one thing that leadership is taking into acount, far from being a shame, I'm sure some people will be interested to learn about this. Plus this thread has been covered with good advices and legal analysis, and not that much drama actually...

The real question would have been, given that it took more than two months for CCP to answer this post, would have CCP tried to change anything to their debatable practices at all, without said practices becoming public knowledge?

Actually, EULA says you can't name your corp after an existing trademark/copyright.

So it nullifies that particular problem.

In the end, we've listened to the concerns of the involved parties and come to a solution that allows us to both protect our IP, and let players use their alliance logos freely.

I'd hardly call that bad press, personally.

There'll be more info in the next couple of days regarding stuff!