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Advice on "casual play".

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DSpite Culhach
#1 - 2014-02-13 03:02:44 UTC
TL;DR

For the few of you that do NOT have multiple accounts, and usually get on for only say, 1 hour sessions at random (multiple) times during the day, what activities do you focus on to generate the ISK other then PLEX injections?

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Don't get me wrong, I have a good grasp of what to do, I'm asking this here to see if anyone is willing to let go some more "secret" tips then those I can already find.

Premise: Single account, future possible limited play time, weird hours. Possible inability to grind isk in multi-hour sessions.
Current idea: Join RVB, and keep a toon in mostly cheap frigs. Short roams, get blown up lots.

Problem: The ISK making angle (if not PLEX'ing) and trying to do something "outside the box".
It's pointless (for me), finding an activity that can pay 500+ million an hour as long as you invest 10 hours in it to average that amount (wormholes for instance, when you factor in ship losses), when I'd rather get 10-50 million an hour as long as the payout is consistent and can do it in very short sessions, even if higher risk.

Would for example, just spending a long slog maxing a toon (or just buying one) to just do incursions once or twice a month, be the most focused way? I can't really park a toon in a null corp just to get on randomly and do a few anomalies, well, I can, but I'm not really being a corp member that way, and I'd feel bad.

I considered joining a low sec pirate corp OR just bribe the locals Lol that mostly roam the area, to allow me to run/blitz L5 missions batches once-twice a week, and cash out LP, but since I don't know anyone that runs L5's it's hard to get a handle on it; I can solo them on SiSi, but of course, on SiSi, no one is trying to kill me.

I like the idea of possibly finding something to do in low sec in the sense that I would get two things done; I would have a focused, short burst ISK machine for frig exploding, and random pvp when people find me, it's just that from what I can find so far, low sec tends to be a net isk loss overall, but maybe I've been looking in the wrong places.

PS: I'm willing to learn Russian (I have a mate that owns Rosetta Stone, I just have to buy the Russian language pack) and relocate, cause extra languages on my resume are worth the time investment Lol

Anyway, thanks for any advice/links/articles/etc.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#2 - 2014-02-13 03:46:55 UTC
Relax and be casual

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Airdorn
Tempest Vector
#3 - 2014-02-13 03:51:02 UTC
I'm a bottom feeder. I salvage T2 wrecks in null, steal loot from battlefields, etc... it makes billions.

Oh, and siphons too.. those things are a casual solo player's best friend!

Cato Black
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-02-13 04:06:18 UTC
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Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-02-13 04:14:50 UTC
Have a incursion set up..

If you are mainly focusing on Frig PvP you can easily affford it with only a couple of ours here and there with incursions
Weylin Ormand
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#6 - 2014-02-13 04:18:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Weylin Ormand
Right now I mine, only have one toon. Working on building up some PVP and PVE stuff too, but mining ice is my primary role for now. I'm casual like you too, playing maybe 2-3 hours a day unless I really get into a groove. Mainly because I'm still working on getting my PVP and PVE ships moved out to nullsec from high-sec.

I mine so you can have the fuel to run your POS.

Have you thanked a miner today?

Linkxsc162534
Silent Scourge
#7 - 2014-02-13 05:32:49 UTC
Buy the Roestta Stone, learn Russian, and charge peopel to translate durign agreements between RU players and English-speaking players.

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Guess that's not really "casual"
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-02-13 07:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Garandras wrote:
Have a incursion set up..

If you are mainly focusing on Frig PvP you can easily affford it with only a couple of ours here and there with incursions

that's terrible advice.

People will hate you if you only join incursion fleets for an hour or less at a time and unless your playtime is right after downtime chances are that you will spend all your limited play time on the waitlist twiddling your thumbs while waiting to get into the incursion fleet anyways.

To run incursions you should have at least have a 3h block of uninterrrupted playtime.

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Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#9 - 2014-02-13 07:20:09 UTC
Do market trading.

You don't have to leave Jita, and the skills required to get your tax rates and transaction fees down are relatively quick to train to a suitable level. You can just park a secondary character in a market hub to do it (it can even be on the same account as your 'main.')

I know a guy who plexes his account using 2 billion in working capital. Really not that much.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#10 - 2014-02-13 07:27:23 UTC
You could always casually gank miners. :D

Don't let tbis derail the thread, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to add a forum signature on here, can anyone help me out with this one? I turned old the other day and can no longer use the internet properly.

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Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-02-13 07:28:41 UTC
I would recommend not running incursions! I have tried to run high sec incursions and the waiting is tedious. Carebears takes literally hours to fit a ship to do a simple reptitive task.

If you want it boring, do L5 missions. You have to be smart about it, but a carrier with a mobile depot to refit stabs at any time is close to immune to getting caught, if you play it smart and watch local+d-scan all the time. Downside is that if someone finds you and camp you, you might have to abandon the mission for that day as people are pretty patient when waiting for a carrier kill.

If you want it more fun, find a mission hub and scan down mission runners. Steal their loot, salvage the wrecks and try to get them to agress you. It can be a lot of fun and personally this has given me some pretty amazing solo kills. On top I remember a an ishtar attacking me, and he was kind to drop a 400 mil invul field.
Ryder 'ook
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-02-13 08:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryder 'ook
Dig into PI.

Seriously, depending on the time you want to spend, PI can make you anything from a few millions per month (look at the stuff every 3 days; haul every 2 weeks) up until hundreds of millions per month (daily babysitting / hauling + market PvP).

But it's quite easy to set up something that requires attention only every other day or so and makes you somewhere between 50 and 100 M ISK / month. That should pay for a couple of frigates.

Edit: This is per Character, of course.

Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#13 - 2014-02-13 08:54:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
I can advice exploration.

Get a covop frigate (either the SoE one, or any of the T2 covop ones) and go scan down sites, Data & Relic, and hack/analyze away. It's short & can be enjoyable to see what you get.

Income can vary alot, depending on what you get, but even in short stints, it should be profitable enough to support frigate PvP (and cruiser variant)

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Rashnu Gorbani
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-02-13 09:13:27 UTC
I'd probably go with exploration too. On an alt, preferably. You can log off pretty much any time anywhere. When cargo is full go and sell.
Lvl4 missions are probably good as well, but I don't like shooting rats as much, exploration is pretty much free of any commitments.
DSpite Culhach
#15 - 2014-02-13 10:23:53 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
I can advice exploration.

Get a covop frigate (either the SoE one, or any of the T2 covop ones) and go scan down sites, Data & Relic, and hack/analyze away. It's short & can be enjoyable to see what you get.

Income can vary alot, depending on what you get, but even in short stints, it should be profitable enough to support frigate PvP (and cruiser variant)


I have done some testing in CVA space, and I guess I was just very unlucky. I min-maxed a few skills with a single PLEX to even allow me to scan down 10/10's (albeit with manual drone fidgeting for the last 2%), but it was very hit-miss - I mean, I did not expect an isk fountain - but as a time sink, a single high end anom would have gotten about 10x the isk/h that I managed in a weel long test, again, it's all tied to RNG, but I'm trying to shoot for less time/isk deviation.

Technically, running C1 anoms would get better averages, at least from numbers I have seen, the main danger being of course players, not NPC ships.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.

DSpite Culhach
#16 - 2014-02-13 10:30:34 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Do market trading.

You don't have to leave Jita, and the skills required to get your tax rates and transaction fees down are relatively quick to train to a suitable level. You can just park a secondary character in a market hub to do it (it can even be on the same account as your 'main.')

I know a guy who plexes his account using 2 billion in working capital. Really not that much.


I did make a market/manufacturing toon, but I appear to suck at guessing markets trends. I have made a killing once with implants, and that was it, probably because I must of spotted it just as someone posted buy orders, and I hand delivered them to a remote station.

I am trying to get better by reading all I can, but It's scary how fast players respond to market changes sometimes. I'm not giving up on the idea, I'm just not doing very well at all so far Sad. I'm sure all the market data is screaming at me what I should do, but so far it might as well be written in another language. I do have EVE Mentat and a few other tools to stop me doing obvious frakups, so at least there's that.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.

Shecky THCfan
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#17 - 2014-02-13 11:11:26 UTC
We have system in null just for isk making. Clone jump there, do some ratting to make isk and then jump back. Rinse and repeat as necessary.
Rashnu Gorbani
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-02-13 11:41:46 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
I have done some testing in CVA space, and I guess I was just very unlucky. I min-maxed a few skills with a single PLEX to even allow me to scan down 10/10's (albeit with manual drone fidgeting for the last 2%), but it was very hit-miss - I mean, I did not expect an isk fountain - but as a time sink, a single high end anom would have gotten about 10x the isk/h that I managed in a weel long test, again, it's all tied to RNG, but I'm trying to shoot for less time/isk deviation.

Technically, running C1 anoms would get better averages, at least from numbers I have seen, the main danger being of course players, not NPC ships.

With that character age I would be very surprised if you made more than 50m per hour from anomalies. If you only made 5 m/h with exploration you're doing something very wrong. You should make more than that in hisec. I don't do exploration regularly enough but I'd think if you find a quiet enough corner of space 50m/hour should be very doable with a covops and you don't need to smuggle combat ships in for that like for doing anomalies, less chance of ganking, less isk lost per ship (unless your cargo was full :) ) etc etc. If it's an alt you can just keep it in low/null sec space and only travel to hisec when your cargo is full of valuable stuff (that's like 1b+).

I was thinking the other day what kind of 'casual' activities are there and concluded that if I had the time (meaning I wouldn't be involved in time consuming stuff) what I would do is get a blockade runner and a scanning covops in some remote region of space and would just haul the exploration loot to the blockade runner to lower the risk of being ganked with billions. When it's full (that's a LOT of money, months worth of exploring) one can just scout themselves out quite safely. Requires two accounts of course but it would be a very very rl friendly, casual way of making isk and you depend on no one. You'd only need the initial investment of the two ships and some money for a few extra covopses for when you get unlucky and die.
It's not the fastest way of getting space rich but it's an interesting nomad life and you got nothing to worry about just the occasional gate camp.
Leafar Nightfall
Silent Owls
#19 - 2014-02-13 11:56:05 UTC
I endorse the posts about exploration. It's one of the best activity for self-funding solo imo, unless you want to plex your account. I'm not filthy rich, but I do some exploration runs once in a while and there's enough money to fund frigate/cruiser PvP without having to do it regularly

Also, travelling around with hundreds of millions worth of isk is thrilling as hell
Kor Tramelien
Neutronium Seraph 7 INC
#20 - 2014-02-13 12:32:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kor Tramelien
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Leafar Nightfall: Also, travelling around with hundreds of millions worth of isk is thrilling as hell


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