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Highsec wardeccers! You can dec GSF and Red AND Blue for 50M/week!

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General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#181 - 2014-02-12 22:09:02 UTC
Pete Butcher wrote:
General Lemming wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all.
We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots. Blink


You have nothing but weak spots.
Who are you again Lol
General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#182 - 2014-02-12 22:11:20 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
why should it cost a small corp to wardec goons anyway, the mechanic is just bullshit... but yea those nullsec puppies need that...

it would not cost them **** to wardec me, but it would cost me a shitload to wardec them... it does not make sense at all...
Actually you can do it for free. Please please PLEASE join Lemmings. That would be beyond amazing.


I might join if they get a cool alliance logo...
I send one in yesterday, forgot you had to be 6 months old, so I told the GM see you in 5 months Blink
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#183 - 2014-02-12 23:05:29 UTC
I hated goons before I read all this ****.

Now I'm not so sure.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#184 - 2014-02-12 23:17:25 UTC
General Lemming wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all.
We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots. Blink Yours are the alliance size, side projects and the trust you need for a coalition. Are you sure you can trust your current blues ? I would check two of them asap Twisted Might be to late already.


If I had an isk for every vague threat of "your blues are really your enemies" that I've heard over the years I'd be rich.


Well, richer, anyway.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#185 - 2014-02-12 23:29:19 UTC
What goes up must come down!
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2014-02-13 05:42:14 UTC
General Lemming wrote:
Pete Butcher wrote:
General Lemming wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Might want to throw in Fweddit while you're at it for good measure. And don't forget to dec them all from Marmite as well! You're spending Gevlon's money, after all.
We will hit you where it hurts most. We all have our weak spots. Blink


You have nothing but weak spots.
Who are you again Lol


Just another person who laughs at your failure. Your master posted so many numbers about how you're winning. Strangely, nobody else can see that. How long should we wait for any result? Give me a date already!

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#187 - 2014-02-13 06:19:18 UTC
So Mr Goblin, how much damage have your minions done to Goons so far?

Remember, anything less than a trillion, Mynnna could personally pay and barely notice it.

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Istyn
Freight Club
#188 - 2014-02-13 08:18:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Istyn
Lucas Kell wrote:
]The obscure part isn't the actual wardec transference. The obscure part is that when the corp transferred to the other alliance, a notification stating "surrender" was sent. I don't think I've seen that written anywhere, and it certainly makes no sense, since there's been no surrender of any kind. So yes, it's obscure.


It's a bit of a weird quirk. The war notifications system doesn't seem to have been updated in quite a while, a few months ago it was actually sending out incorrect/vastly misleading information after a change. Which it actually probably is still doing as the notification always says you can't dec for 2 weeks, as if it was an actual surrender.

Mostly all it does is spam your inbox though as you get one for the surrender and then one for the 'new' war against the alliance. Sometimes even three at once if you're lucky.
General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#189 - 2014-02-13 09:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: General Lemming
Pete Butcher wrote:
Just another person who laughs at your failure. Your master posted so many numbers about how you're winning. Strangely, nobody else can see that. How long should we wait for any result? Give me a date already!
As I expected, an irrelevant alt. Move along kid. Cool

We are receiving the first Goon alt alliance names now. Thanks and keep sending them.
Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#190 - 2014-02-13 11:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Garven Dreis
I can confirm Darwin's Lemmings is a Goon alt alliance. The anti-goon posts are all to preserve our cover but I'm just blowing the lid right off.

Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014

Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#191 - 2014-02-13 12:12:10 UTC
General Lemming wrote:
Pete Butcher wrote:
Just another person who laughs at your failure. Your master posted so many numbers about how you're winning. Strangely, nobody else can see that. How long should we wait for any result? Give me a date already!
As I expected, an irrelevant alt. Move along kid. Cool

We are receiving the first Goon alt alliance names now. Thanks and keep sending them.


You fail again - i'm not an alt and I'm in no way connected to goons. Since you're responding, it must also mean I'm not that irrelevant to you. That's the logic of your orc master, so it cannot be wrong.
Funny how literally everything you wrote is a failure Smile

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#192 - 2014-02-13 13:47:45 UTC
Gevlon's main logical hurdle is that he simply can't (or won't) recognise that damage to individual members is different than damage to the alliance. Worse still, he quotes incidents of damage to the alliance as a basis of comparison.

So to math what he is really doing you need to start at member wallets. As of 2012, the average wallet of an active character was 500mil ISK. I'll be generous and say that the average 0.0 resident is equal to a highsec one (though this is very unlikely) and leave the results as a "best case" scenario.

If you multiply that out to our alliance, that's a 6 trillion ISK pool of liquid ISK. (This ignores that we have many of the very richest players in our ranks, with trillions each to their name.)

If you look at the CFC, that's over 13 trillion.

Remember this is just liquid ISK in the wallet, not counting assets, market escrow, etc.

Gevlon's best-case, super inflated numbers, show 125bil in damages over a month.

Per member, then, he was doing ~4.5mil in damage. Less than 1% of the average wallet. When we say the damage he does is a rounding error, we mean it literally.

In terms of recouping losses, it takes between 2-5minutes on average per member to replace the damage he does in a whole month.

I don't know what percentage of Gevlon's wallet 4bil per week is, but it's safe to assume it's more than ~0.25%

He's locked himself into a war of attrition against an entity that can take several orders of magnitude more damage than he can. All that remains to be seen is if he bankrupts himself, or he puts an end to it, claiming success and blaming other people for not achieving his original aims.

Odds are he stops in a few weeks, with something like "I proved one person can do x-bil damage to Goons, now it's time for people to stop being morons and slackers, and to rise up against them!"

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#193 - 2014-02-13 13:59:46 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Gevlon's main logical hurdle is that he simply can't (or won't) recognise that damage to individual members is different than damage to the alliance. Worse still, he quotes incidents of damage to the alliance as a basis of comparison.

So to math what he is really doing you need to start at member wallets. As of 2012, the average wallet of an active character was 500mil ISK. I'll be generous and say that the average 0.0 resident is equal to a highsec one (though this is very unlikely) and leave the results as a "best case" scenario.

If you multiply that out to our alliance, that's a 6 trillion ISK pool of liquid ISK. (This ignores that we have many of the very richest players in our ranks, with trillions each to their name.)

If you look at the CFC, that's over 13 trillion.

Remember this is just liquid ISK in the wallet, not counting assets, market escrow, etc.

Gevlon's best-case, super inflated numbers, show 125bil in damages over a month.

Per member, then, he was doing ~4.5mil in damage. Less than 1% of the average wallet. When we say the damage he does is a rounding error, we mean it literally.

In terms of recouping losses, it takes between 2-5minutes on average per member to replace the damage he does in a whole month.

I don't know what percentage of Gevlon's wallet 4bil per week is, but it's safe to assume it's more than ~0.25%

He's locked himself into a war of attrition against an entity that can take several orders of magnitude more damage than he can. All that remains to be seen is if he bankrupts himself, or he puts an end to it, claiming success and blaming other people for not achieving his original aims.

Odds are he stops in a few weeks, with something like "I proved one person can do x-bil damage to Goons, now it's time for people to stop being morons and slackers, and to rise up against them!"


So you are saying that 100% of your guys are always lost in hisec and loose their ships there and do get them reimbursed? Or something? Cool Cool

Look, I'll try and explain the crazy maths; If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million Shocked
You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member.


D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#194 - 2014-02-13 14:09:20 UTC
Danalee wrote:
If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million Shocked
You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member.


D.

Bear


You did lose a 300m isk pod to RvB a couple months back, just saying. Blink
flakeys
Doomheim
#195 - 2014-02-13 14:18:52 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
What goes up must come down!



That's what my wife said but i just keep swallowing that viagra like the candy it is ...







My life motto : KEEP IT FIRM .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#196 - 2014-02-13 15:31:36 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:
Danalee wrote:
If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million Shocked
You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member.


D.

Bear


You did lose a 300m isk pod to RvB a couple months back, just saying. Blink


And I congratulated you guys with that... What I didn't do was pull a nullbear and jump up and down claiming you didn't damage me/us. Also, note the VERY UNLIKELY part Blink

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#197 - 2014-02-13 15:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Clio
Danalee wrote:
Professor Clio wrote:
Danalee wrote:
If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million Shocked
You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member.


D.

Bear


You did lose a 300m isk pod to RvB a couple months back, just saying. Blink


And I congratulated you guys with that... What I didn't do was pull a nullbear and jump up and down claiming you didn't damage me/us. Also, note the VERY UNLIKELY part Blink

D.

Bear



I know I was pulling your chain. I get annoyed at people who say losing pods in highsec is impossible unless you're bad. Clearly there's a lot of bads but you can also lose one to momentary distraction, lag spike, all sorts of stuff that even good players can't control. I don't think I've ever lost a pod in highsec but I'm sure its only a question of time and my money is on a marmite being at the other end of the mail Lol

Edit: after posting that I decided to check. I have in fact lost a pod in highsec about 3 years ago. I'm about due for another one soon. (well two but the second was my good friend Shen helping me pod travel faster)
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#198 - 2014-02-13 17:15:26 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Look, I'll try and explain the crazy maths; If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million Shocked
You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member.
How terribly sad for Marmite. Personal losses in high sec don't affect nullsec alliances, not even a little. The fact you you don't want to believe that, even though there's years and years of evidence and quite literally thousands of people that can attest to this, is your problem.

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Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#199 - 2014-02-13 17:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Lucas Kell wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Look, I'll try and explain the crazy maths; If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million Shocked
You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member.
How terribly sad for Marmite. Personal losses in high sec don't affect nullsec alliances, not even a little. The fact you you don't want to believe that, even though there's years and years of evidence and quite literally thousands of people that can attest to this, is your problem.


And still I've got bucketloads of tears from nullbears proving me right and you wrong Lol

D.

Bear

Edit: I'll try again... What's a coalition? What's an alliance? What's a corp but the sum of it's members?
It's really that simple no matter how much you'd like to have it otherwise poor, blind lucas.

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#200 - 2014-02-13 18:09:32 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Look, I'll try and explain the crazy maths; If RVB kills one of my ships (haha, I know VERY unlikely) and that ship cost me 200 million at that point RVB has hurt Marmites for.... 200 Million Shocked
You know why? Because I'm a Marmite member.
How terribly sad for Marmite. Personal losses in high sec don't affect nullsec alliances, not even a little. The fact you you don't want to believe that, even though there's years and years of evidence and quite literally thousands of people that can attest to this, is your problem.
And still I've got bucketloads of tears from nullbears proving me right and you wrong
Oh please, by all means share the bucket loads of tears from ranking officials of nullsec alliances begging you to stop damaging their alliance.

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