EVE General Discussion

No you want a system where its more advantageous to split your fire than to focus it all on one target. If you got to a point where additionally damage declined by % the people with the most firepower would still win, since they could still focus on two targets while the smaller force could only focus on one.

selecting multiple targets .. yes, complex I know , what will F1 monkeys do?

It is also a counter to remote repairing.

Assuming that the larger group wouldn't just drop triage carriers if they were fighting an enemy known to ewar logistics?

Counters and escalations. Fun fun fun!

No that's not true. A force multiplier is something that is used to increase the power of your force. Alone my Widow can tank 1000 DPS, with my alt boosting in a command ship, my widow without any modifications can get close to 1500 dps.

That's not a tactic, a tactic is something you do to improve your outcome, a force multiplier is something you add to improve your outcome.

RR is a force multiplier, alone an RR does nothing but if you add multiple ships with RR, you suddenly have the capacity to turn each ship into an unkillable behemoth.

ECM is a tactic not a force multiplier. It can fail if done correctly. RR cannot fail if done correctly, links cannot fail if done correctly.

Force multipliers are a problem because they're not capable of being "dealt with". You can't alpha an RR off the field like you can a Falcon or Celestis, same with links (although hopefully this will be dealt with once OGB is removed).

I'm sure if you re-read your post you will find tons of contradictions and poor wording which does not really clarify what you mean by a force multiplier. I do not however think it matters what you consider a force multiplier or a tactic, as they are very vague terms and do not help anyone make any concrete ideas or decisions. From the rest of your posts it seems that you want a nerf to logistics ships in some way. I've fought many tech 3 armor fleets with guardian support and I can say that it is depressing how much damage a t2 logi can repair on a well fit tech2 resist ship. Tech 2 Logi and carriers are definitely very powerful and very hard to kill in proper use, however I do not think this is really a bad thing entirely. A fleet supported by carrier reps or t2 logi reps is a symbol of organization and coordination. If logistics ships are too easily countered then there will be little reason to bring expensive and coordinated fleets because it won't matter. ANYONE can kitchen sink welp, this is not very interesting nor does it require any sort of higher order group effort.

EVE is a social game at its finest, and just like in real life those who know how to coordinate and lead OTHER people have a distinct advantage over those who do not. Many are better at it than others, and fewer more are good to the point of having real potential in the real world as well. Getting people to do **** for you, making them feel like it is for their benefit (whether it is or is not does not matter), is a skill of LIMITLESS potential. The argument you seem to bury in your posts outside of this direct subject is that people with this skill should not be able to win 100% of the time if they execute correctly. Why not? Have you ever considered practicing the skill of crowd manipulation yourself? Perhaps you only need to befriend a few people who have this skill already and guide them towards your benefit? In a game of people, the #1 resource is people, not spaceships, not veldspar, and not ISK. People can make spaceships, veldspar and even isk. People are the root of everything in this game. If you want to fight a tactic used by your enemy then you need, first and foremost, people to get the job done.

TL;DR

Get more friends (or get a few friends who have many friends themselves etc.)

Force Multipliers are things that multiply every single ship in the fleet by the same amount.
Logi are not a true force multiplier, because they can only rep one ship at a time fully. They are more additive.
Boosts are a true force multiplier. Because no matter how many ships in fleet, each ship still gets the full bonus.

Anyway, start with Tessellation, then go to line of effect for weapons. (Which also allows for weapon shots scattering, misses actually missing randomly rather than shooting a specific spot on your collision bubble which is off the ship, and impacts on different spots of your hull, and for ship facing to matter potentially) And suddenly you have a lot of strategy, and the blob is no longer automatically king.

Much better fix than trying to come up with some crazy mathematical scaling which you can be sure will get abused constantly by friendly fire methods.

ccp has alot of devs some are based on this others on that. they already are testing with direct x 11 so lets say by winter at latestest for tesalation.

but on point the devs who work on balance have nothing to do with tessalation

So lets say I started with an ishtar, and you started with a widow.

So if you add an RR boat to your widow, and I add a second (presumed my all gun, all damage mod fits) ishtar I go from 926 dps, to 1852 dps, and now I can break your tank where I couldn't 1v1. So now my problem is no longer running away, its just avoiding your damage long enough for your tank to break or for you to retreat, which may not be inconceivable in a cruiser, and doubly so if I brought a TD on each ishtar to try and make cruiser speed and signature work against your big guns.

Your force multiplier always has to be compared against the alternative of just bringing more dakka dakka, and in the cases you seem to be conceiving of, you don't appear to have enough ships to outweigh the basic force multipler of 2 associated with doubling the dps ships available, and you have the ongoing problem of only having 1 source of dps, and thus being vulnerable to being entirely shut down.