Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This.

If you want to improve Eve stop making every change in the game a case of "The Rich will get Richer".

i didn't know there was only one link already.

I don't think the powerblock camping the link system would be bad as it would create pvp content and healthy competition. Maybe you could allow FW guys to upgrade their system eventually turning it into a 0.5 system... After all, the more people that pass through that system, the more money they make.

The sec hit would be extremely negligible.

A. It does not fit the lore.

B. All people will not all be in Jita.. just most of them.

C. It will reduce the number of systems in routes between empire and place them at specific choke points so that all gate campers will then be drawn to the same 4 systems.. reducing the needs to fly anywhere else in low sec to get your "kill thrill"

D. This would unfairly reduce the number of high sec systems in favor of low sec, an area nearly no one really likes to play in.

E. There are already low sec and null sec route between empire areas. Why add another low sec route?

F. High sec, low sec, and null sec are equivenlent areas of play.. not equal. They should be different. We should celebrate that difference - not try to reduce it or merge the areas..

G. If this is such a good idea, why not put patches of high sec separating null sec zones? The motive here doesn't seem to be for making the game better for the majority but instead making it better for a few.

I'm not a fan of this old and otfen repeated idea. I am in favor of new and exciting areas to explore and new ways to play. That's where I think the focus should be.. this idea would be a waste of time.

No, I read the first post. I just disagree.. I can't help that my objections remain relevant.

already happened incase you didn't notice

This. Bottom up, not trickle down.

Wow, it get's even more ********.

A lot of Systems won't help.. Scrublords will find the bottleneck. And who cares about how many ships one has to shoot on a gate, when it's just the largest entity which camps it..

Anyway, it's like arguing with a wall. You chose to ignore the problems. Easy to see where this is going. Buff me, Nerf others.

I'll start off by saying this will never happen.

However, I really like this idea. Basically a "demilitarized zone" between the 4 empires. And I really like the idea of having to cross this low-sec zone to get between the 4 empires. Even if its only 1-2 low sec systems. I also agree you need multiple routes of similar distance, no single choke-point between empires.

The main point I do disagree with though is you greatly underestimate the power and numbers of the jump freighter. There are tons of them, and using them to mostly avoid the low sec wouldn't be that big a deal. I would expect JF's to continue moving goods between trade hubs w/o much issue.

I also disagree with these moving vouchers. If you implement this, you give proper notice. People can sort their crap before the patch. If they don't pay attention, tough luck.

It's been a while since I last commented in this thread. But I am still totally for it and I'd like to make (remake) some points.
A. The most recent lore has a building strain in relations between Gallente/Minmatar and Amarr/Caldari. The way the story is unfolding this could very well be where the Lore is taking us. If you don't follow the lore then you shouldn't try to use it in your argument. In this instance it is a very strong counterpoint to your own position.
B. wut?
C. That is just an assumption you're making. The way i would see it, there would be a huge X across empire with extremely long boarder between empires and a at least a few systems thick. I'm sure though the path with least low jumps will be more traveled and more dangerous.
D. Another assumption. Most likely each nation would move out. Turn low sec into high sec on the side facing null to replace high sec systems turned low, assuming they don't just add new star systems and routes in between.
E. The idea is to remove highsec rountes between empire areas. If there was only 1 high sec route between empires everyone would just use that route. The entirety of profitable "trade" is based on barriers such as mountains, bodies of water, and land masses. This is what makes trade profitable. Currently in high sec distance is the only barrier, so there is very minimal profitability. Fortunately that gives a good perspective on this. If all systems in high sec were connected to Jita would there be any profit to be made in high sec hauling(physical trade)? Well you can correlate this to continuous high sec and non-continous high sec. Separating the empires would give much profit to be made in hauling(trading) by crossing these barriers.

When you bring up JF's there are a few things you have to remember.

First of all you still have to travel through (or jump into) at least 1 low sec system since you can't cyno in high sec.

Second and much more importantly, Jumping a Jump Freighter isn't free. Jumping a JF requires fuel. This has 2 very strong implications.
1. To continue the movement of materials to a place like Jita in any amount near what we have with continuous high sec, the amount of fuel used would be enormous. This would cause the price of isotopes to sky rocket.
2. There will be a minimum amount of investment return required to cover the fuel costs. Anything not meeting and exceeding this requirement will not be hauled via JF. And if the first implication has any weight to it at all, the minimum profit to use a JF will also increase substantially.

So to say we greatly underestimate the power and numbers of JFs is absolutely wrong. In fact we are very aware of the implications of such a large number of JF's and believe not only will JFs balance themselves, but will also drive other aspects of the market itself in doing so.