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How easy can the average miner keep a belt below profitability?

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-02-11 00:39:06 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Ashala Arcsylver wrote:
Just thought I would chime in here as well.

Profitability has been covered I think but I think the OP is missing a concept in logic here. The only people who really look at the types of numbers that are being asked for as the ones who are playing spreadsheets online instead of Eve Online.



Without "Spreadsheets Online", and the data that feeds them, most large alliances would see their revenue streams rocked to the foundations.

Personally, I get a stiffy just thinking about that particular brand of chaos and the opportunities it would create -- that being the much-loved "Chaos Effect" that only seems to get "lip service" more than anything else.

It's the "Butterfly Effect".

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#42 - 2014-02-11 01:54:27 UTC
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#43 - 2014-02-12 13:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
With two hulks and an orca I can strip a typical high sec belt clean in 2 to 3 hours, depending on the belt. Some poor ones will go in just one hour. Less if someone else has picked them over. One hulk by itself will take about 3.5 times longer. Does that help?

Normally I don't do it that way though. I mine two of the ore types in the belt (one for each hulk) that I am low on. (I build stuff). When one type runs out I go to another belt. This results in my switching belts about once an hour. Many miners who just sell the minerals will go for just the most profitable single ore type, and will switch belts when it runs out.

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#44 - 2014-02-12 13:52:49 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
With two hulks and an orca I can strip a typical high sec belt clean in 2 to 3 hours, depending on the belt. Some poor ones will go in just one hour. Less if someone else has picked them over. One hulk by itself will take about 3.5 times longer.
I have to ask for clarification.

These two to three hours ... mining a full belt (aka at least three downtimes) or a stripped belt only with micro asteroids left?
You write about poorer ones, but what's 'poor'?

Basically, I care about belts that were clean and then regenerated a bit after downtime.
Notorious Fellon
#45 - 2014-02-12 13:54:53 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
With two hulks and an orca I can strip a typical high sec belt clean in 2 to 3 hours, depending on the belt. Some poor ones will go in just one hour. Less if someone else has picked them over. One hulk by itself will take about 3.5 times longer.



This sounds about right. Wild, ballpark averages though. A solo Hulk would take quite a lot longer if running the ore to station each fill-up. Hulk is not the best solo ship.

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-02-12 14:00:10 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
With two hulks and an orca I can strip a typical high sec belt clean in 2 to 3 hours, depending on the belt. Some poor ones will go in just one hour. Less if someone else has picked them over. One hulk by itself will take about 3.5 times longer.



This sounds about right. Wild, ballpark averages though. A solo Hulk would take quite a lot longer if running the ore to station each fill-up. Hulk is not the best solo ship.

We can safely ignore movement of mined ore for what I want to know. :D
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#47 - 2014-02-12 14:06:31 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
With two hulks and an orca I can strip a typical high sec belt clean in 2 to 3 hours, depending on the belt. Some poor ones will go in just one hour. Less if someone else has picked them over. One hulk by itself will take about 3.5 times longer.
I have to ask for clarification.

These two to three hours ... mining a full belt (aka at least three downtimes) or a stripped belt only with micro asteroids left?
You write about poorer ones, but what's 'poor'?

Basically, I care about belts that were clean and then regenerated a bit after downtime.

I don't think any belt I visit has succeeded in being untouched for three downtimes! Normally its just one day old, and has had some mining already done. (I typically mine after work, US west coast time.)

After reading about the spawn mechanic in one of the other linked threads, the poor belts seem be the one day old belts that spawn on Monday and Friday. Ive never really taken a hard look at that, although I have stopped mining on Monday just because it seemed to be a poor day to do it. I suspected the spawn mechanic, but never looked into it.

Also a poor belt is one thats been picked over by others. Like I said, I mine late in the eve daily cycle.

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#48 - 2014-02-12 14:20:54 UTC
Spawn on Monday and Friday? Nowadays belts regenerate after each DT, as far as I have gathered.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#49 - 2014-02-12 14:21:56 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Mine the asteroids +10% first and work your way down. Ignore the standard ore that has no bonus.
What?

I'm quite certain somebody of you brilliant miners can come up with actual numbers. :)


If you are not ever gonna be mining or anything, what's the point of this ??

Why is it so vitally important to you ?

What miner who is sane would "track" something so useless to themselves.

I just smell a big "statistics time wasting" Troll, and nothing else.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#50 - 2014-02-12 14:23:18 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Mine the asteroids +10% first and work your way down. Ignore the standard ore that has no bonus.
What?


Ore Chart

See how you have +10 and +5% variants of an ore.
And still nobody tells me what these % stand for. Btw, that site was last updated in '07 ... how certain can you be that it's still accurate?


Okay... looks like the % is simply more veldspar compressed into the same amount of m³ asteroid.


5 and 10 percent more mineral content than the regular ore. Good god, that's something everyone knows. Stop playing dumb.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#51 - 2014-02-12 16:35:45 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
it dpeneds. on which down time, how many roids, but a solo miner could prolly clear a newly spawned belt in about 2-4 hours
What kind of ship would he use?
What amount of m³ would that be?

This sounds like roids actually regenerate by a lot !


Of course I'm talking about the daily maintenance downtime, which is the downtime when belts get regenerated. ^^


a barge, prolly a hulk

no idea, m3 means nothing to me, I mine it till it pops, refine it and sell it, I don't care about m3.


The more m3 per cycle you can pull in the less time you have to spend mining.


Me, personally, I would mine because I enjoy it.. I know odd, but I do, its also why I make a good pos monkey, I enjoy setting them up and running them I just HATE crying mails, but I digress. I never cared about m3, just how much I could pull. I went form a bantom to a thorax cause I could fit 5 miner 2's on them and use 8 heavy drones for defense (back in the day) I then switched to barges. I'd mine because it relaxes me and I can make some money. Never ran the numbers to look for the max amount of money, its not how I play, and why I tend to have just enough money to do what I want.

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#52 - 2014-02-12 16:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
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#53 - 2014-02-12 17:03:56 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Cleaned up the thread according to the above rules. Please stay on topic, polite, and constructive.


On topic? I don't think anyone knows what the hell the topic is!

Something about mining and mini-asteroids vs. full asteroids and downtime and making belts not profitable and I don't get it.

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2014-02-12 17:19:55 UTC
The problem with producing exact numbers is that as you progress daily the belts you mine spawn with less and less meat to mine... so the numbers are a moving target.

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#55 - 2014-02-12 17:37:20 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
The problem with producing exact numbers is that as you progress daily the belts you mine spawn with less and less meat to mine... so the numbers are a moving target.
What do you mean exactly?
Somebody else said that the belts regenerate a fixed amount of m³.

Are you telling me that they regenerate actually less and less, until reaching a minimum regeneration?
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#56 - 2014-02-12 17:39:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Flashy 'Red' Bee
DaReaper wrote:
Me, personally, I would mine because I enjoy it.. I know odd, but I do, its also why I make a good pos monkey, I enjoy setting them up and running them I just HATE crying mails, but I digress. I never cared about m3, just how much I could pull. I went form a bantom to a thorax cause I could fit 5 miner 2's on them and use 8 heavy drones for defense (back in the day) I then switched to barges. I'd mine because it relaxes me and I can make some money. Never ran the numbers to look for the max amount of money, its not how I play, and why I tend to have just enough money to do what I want.
That's a very good approach at playing the game and I approve wholeheartedly. :)
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-02-12 17:52:30 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
The problem with producing exact numbers is that as you progress daily the belts you mine spawn with less and less meat to mine... so the numbers are a moving target.
What do you mean exactly?
Somebody else said that the belts regenerate a fixed amount of m³.

Are you telling me that they regenerate actually less and less, until reaching a minimum regeneration?

That is what I'm saying, the rocks get smaller as you mine them out every day until they only spawn at minimal size. ...and it takes days of rested spawns to return to full size again.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#58 - 2014-02-12 17:58:10 UTC
OP, your question is almost the same as asking these people how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Really.

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#59 - 2014-02-12 18:05:35 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
The problem with producing exact numbers is that as you progress daily the belts you mine spawn with less and less meat to mine... so the numbers are a moving target.
What do you mean exactly?
Somebody else said that the belts regenerate a fixed amount of m³.

Are you telling me that they regenerate actually less and less, until reaching a minimum regeneration?

That is what I'm saying, the rocks get smaller as you mine them out every day until they only spawn at minimal size. ...and it takes days of rested spawns to return to full size again.
Yeah we've reached this already.

Do you, by chance, know the m³ of the smallest possible spawn? Or can you describe the visuals?
Chad Ramsbottom
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-02-12 18:14:17 UTC
It's small. Could you just tell us what it is you're trying to calculate so we can skip all this beating around the bush? Are you asking what it would take to keep a belt indefinitely empty?

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