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Redpeanut Aumer
Astral Sanctuary - 6th Division
Astral Sanctuary
#1 - 2014-02-11 00:26:56 UTC
So I just started Eve a few days ago and I'm about to finish the skills to use a Mining Barge but as I'm new I would much appreciate it if someone could help me with some things.

Somethings you should know:

I will be playing solo for awhile
I have no idea about what fittings I should use
I'm thinking of picking either the Retriever or Procurer
I will be in High-sec (between 0.9-0.7 probably)
I'm worried about getting ganked but also want to have a very efficient and fast mining experience
I tend to AFK a lot while mining but would probably be more observant when I get my Barge
I am really new to the game and honestly still don't know much

I seen this site (http://eve.battleclinic.com/index.php) has loadout tool so if anyone could maybe use that to help me understand the fitting more I would really appreciate that too.

Any tip/tricks would also be very useful for me. Thanks for any help and I'm really looking forward to getting into eve and have been having fun right now even just mining.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-02-11 00:45:55 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Redpeanut Aumer wrote:
So I just started Eve a few days ago and I'm about to finish the skills to use a Mining Barge but as I'm new I would much appreciate it if someone could help me with some things.

Somethings you should know:

I will be playing solo for awhile
I have no idea about what fittings I should use
I'm thinking of picking either the Retriever or Procurer
I will be in High-sec (between 0.9-0.7 probably)
I'm worried about getting ganked but also want to have a very efficient and fast mining experience
I tend to AFK a lot while mining but would probably be more observant when I get my Barge
I am really new to the game and honestly still don't know much

I seen this site (http://eve.battleclinic.com/index.php) has loadout tool so if anyone could maybe use that to help me understand the fitting more I would really appreciate that too.

Any tip/tricks would also be very useful for me. Thanks for any help and I'm really looking forward to getting into eve and have been having fun right now even just mining.


Okay.

Procurer over Retriever. Retriever will get ganked a lot more often then a Procurer as the Procurer actually can field a tank.

You can't be afraid to be ganked (and thus tank it) AND go for max mining yield and max cargohold all at the same time. EVE is a game of balance, you have to balance out your options to a point where you are comfortable.

Also, if you are so afraid of losing the ship, you shouldn't be using it (hint to rule 1: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose).

DO NOT, I repeat, do NOT AFK mine. It's a death sentence.


And how hard is fitting a mining barge.

Highslots: Strip miners

Mid slots: prop mod + shield tank

Low slots: DCU and fill the rest with MLU

Rigs: Shield rigs

Drones: Pack of light drones for rats.


EDIT:

And with 11 days...train up those core skills before going bigger. Just because you can sit in a ship doesn't mean you can actually USE it.

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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#3 - 2014-02-11 03:05:01 UTC
What J'Poll said.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#4 - 2014-02-11 05:04:08 UTC
Redpeanut Aumer wrote:
So I just started Eve a few days ago and I'm about to finish the skills to use a Mining Barge but as I'm new I would much appreciate it if someone could help me with some things.


Stick to mining using the free Venture and Miner IIs that you get through the new player experience (I may be wrong about the miner IIs, perhaps I ended up buying them for one of my alts). Build up your "core skills" which will be Powergrid Management, CPU Management, Capacitor Management, Jury Rigging, Shield Rigging, then look at your drone skills (aim to be able to use Hobgoblin II and Warrior II drones). If you are still enjoying mining in two weeks, that's when to start thinking about training for a larger mining ship.

As an example of what to fit, here is how I fit my Skiff (an advanced Procurer):

[Rigs]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

[Low]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

[Medium]
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

[High]
Modulated Strip Miner II

This is a tight fit with 1PG to spare, using a CPU implant to get the required CPU to fit that shield tank. You can tune this fitting to fit on a Procurer by starting with the rigs and Strip Miner I, then adding the shield tank, using the low slots to add reactor core or co-processor as required, then replacing them with Mining Laser Upgrade as your skills allow.

Mine Scordite, since it will be the most profitable ore for the immediate future. You can farm up the level 1 security mission "Break Their Will" to get 1.2M units of Scordite, which will keep you busily mining for quite some time.

But please stick with the Venture and train your core skills before getting into a mining barge. Otherwise you will end up three weeks down the track realising that you really don't like mining after all, and the SP you invested in mining barges and mining gear will essentially be wasted.

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Serafiel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-02-11 07:39:25 UTC
Redpeanut Aumer wrote:
So I just started Eve a few days ago and I'm about to finish the skills to use a Mining Barge but as I'm new I would much appreciate it if someone could help me with some things.


mmm'kay. So:

Somethings you should know:

Redpeanut Aumer wrote:

I have no idea about what fittings I should use
...
I tend to AFK a lot while mining but would probably be more observant when I get my Barge


Ill just say this: If you are not on an alt, think this over. Gankers run locator agents too, you know. You have just invited them, so DO NOT AFK.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6 - 2014-02-11 08:21:18 UTC
Never use an active tank on a mining barge in high sec. Ever.

The only possible thing that can destroy your ship is a suicide gank if you are a solo miner not under a war dec. With an active tank you'll be dead before your first rep.

What you want is effective hit points. As many as you can stack on. If that means shield extenders with armor plates, you do it. If that means a smaller cargo volume because you fit a DCU (the only active module you'll ever need) instead of a cargo extender, you do it.

If you pursue mining as a career and work your way into an Exhumer, you can AFK mine just fine provided you have a gank tank fitted. I AFK mine in a Mackinaw and lose maybe one ship for every 10 - 15 gank attempts. And where I mine you'll not see 10 gank attempts in six months.

Mr Epeen Cool
Cat's Squirrel
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-02-11 09:28:04 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:


If you pursue mining as a career and work your way into an Exhumer, you can AFK mine just fine provided you have a gank tank fitted. I AFK mine in a Mackinaw and lose maybe one ship for every 10 - 15 gank attempts. And where I mine you'll not see 10 gank attempts in six months.

Mr Epeen Cool



Wow. I've only been ganked maybe 4 times, ever! Only lost one ship, and that was because I was afk, so was my own fault. There's way too many belts out there to stick around in a system if local looks wiggy.

OP, why would you want to mine solo? Join a corp, team work, Orca boosts, refining, etc. If you really are a new guy, there's really nothing to lose and everything to gain with a corp.

As for announcing you are an afk miner in the forums, all I can say is, welcome to Eve! Twisted
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-02-11 12:03:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
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If you're going to be hyper-vigilant while in the belts, constantly checking your directional scanner, then a Retriever may work for you - great loiter time due to the very large ore bay, but it's basically made of tinfoil. If your attention tends to wander, the Procurer is probably your best bet; it's got a good native shield and the bonuses and fitting space to significantly reinforce it, at the cost of an ore bay only about half the size of the Retriever's.

Industrial corporations can be a good idea if you can find a good one; keep an eye out for barges and Orcas showing up in a belt, then check their corporation info and see if they're recruiting. That's how I found my first corporation when I resubscribed, and that led me into industry, missioning, PVP, faction warfare, and ultimately a swing through sovereign null-sec for a while.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Redpeanut Aumer
Astral Sanctuary - 6th Division
Astral Sanctuary
#9 - 2014-02-11 13:25:09 UTC
I just want to say thank you for all the tips everyone has given but want to ask about what kind of things I should be on the look out for on my Directional scan (I'm guessing a higher end ship randomly showing up?)

I've taken the advice of not AFK'ing while mining and I'm still enjoying mining (Looking like I will be doing this for awhile to come).

Anymore tips people give is always welcome and I'm reading every post and taking everything into account.

Thanks again wonderful people of the Eve community.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-02-11 13:43:14 UTC
Redpeanut Aumer wrote:
I just want to say thank you for all the tips everyone has given but want to ask about what kind of things I should be on the look out for on my Directional scan (I'm guessing a higher end ship randomly showing up?)


The preferred ship for most gankers is the Catalyst destroyer - it can be cheaply fit to throw a lot of damage very quickly. If you see one of those within something like 100 million kilometers (about half an AU), or however close you have to set your D-scan so you can filter out stations and stargates, then if you're in a flimsy ship, you should run for safety immediately; do not pass go, do not collect $200. You may or may not have time to recall your drones; use your keyboard shortcut (default shift-R) to signal a recall, but don't wait for them before starting your warp. Replacing drones is a lot cheaper than replacing a mining barge.

If you see multiple Catalysts, then even if you're in a Procurer, run for safety.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#11 - 2014-02-11 14:03:53 UTC
Redpeanut Aumer wrote:

I'm worried about getting ganked but also want to have a very efficient and fast mining experience

That's like saying you want high quality and cheap -- hard to get both at the same time. You'll have to pick which is more important to you. After a while you could have both a Procurer & Retriever, use the Procurer when you think trouble is around. Use the Retriever when you feel safe and will be paying attention.

I recommend starting with a Procurer. It's cheaper, stronger & easier to fit with low skills. Only downside is you'll have to warp to the station more often to unload. 12,000 ore hold compared to 5,000 for Venture.
This fit has 57K EHP with max 5 skills (way more than needed to get people to leave you alone unless they REALLY don't like you). This fits increases ore yield by have 2 laser upgrades and a survey scanner.

strip miner 1

Survey Scanner
EM Ward Field II
2 x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

2 x Mining Laser Upgrade 1

2 x Medium Core Defense Field Extender 1
Medium anti-thermal screen Reinforcer 1


Until you have the skills (& money to afford the CDFE), you can use Adaptive Invulnerability Field 1 + a DCU (damage control unit) in one of the low slots

In general, be leery of the fits in battleclinic. First stop should be Eve University to see the fits they recommend along with their notes. Jesterstrek is also a good source for fits. Get EFT or pyfa to test fits that work with your current skills.
With a Procurer you should try to mine in .6 or .7 systems. You will be safe and will find more valuable ores. With a bit of experience .5 systems are no problem.

Mining while doing something else on the computer is recommended, but walking away from the computer would definitely require a tanked Procurer or Skiff and is not recommended. A mining barge sitting there without it's lasers on is going to attract attention.

A single Hobgoblin 1 drone will take care of any rats that bother you in a Procurer.

Try ice mining after you have a bit of experience, learn how to look for ore anomalies, and be willing to chat with people in local. An Orca boost greatly increases yield. Any worthwhile corp should have one. Some orca pilots will give you a free boost if you ask them nicely (although I don't understand why).

Try some other aspect of Eve like PvP, exploring, PvE or manufacturing before you train the skills to get into a T2 mining barge. You might find you like something else better.







Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#12 - 2014-02-11 14:37:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
Honestly the things you need to do to safely mine are these:

1) tank your ship;
2) pick an "off the beaten path" place to mine;
3) do not aggress folk that flip your "can" or shoot/kill any mtu/depot you use (unless you are prepared for a fight you are going to lose and the aggressors will get bored and leave soon enough);
4) do not trash talk in local or provide any tears to anyone that bumps you or ganks you (that just fuels them);
5) do not pay anyone anything to mine (with the exception of paying for rental space in sov null - which i consider stupid but some say makes sense).

Of these #2 is the most important. If you obey number 2 the chance of you getting killed is negligible. In fact, I can-mined all the time semi-afk before the barge changes in an out of the way highsec spot and only once was a gank attempt ever made on my hulk and because I obeyed #1 - when i got back from the bathroom - i found a very funny kill mail with my hulk "killing" a tempest and a rifter (and yes I use a forum alt so you wont see the km on this alt).

Now some folk will tell you that being ganked is a cost of doing business. These folk factor in the cost of the ship into how they mine and say that by using a ship that mines faster and more efficiently they come out ahead even if they are ganked. I couldnt tell you if it is true or not - but it certainly seems to be a legitimate view point. If you are a of this view then your ability to follow #1 goes out the window.

If for some reason, it gets difficult to mine in your system, e.g. pirates move in, or whatever - just remember eve hs is huge, just pack up and move. Unless you make yourself a target by violating numbers 4 and 5 above, the odds of anyone following you are negligible.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Redpeanut Aumer
Astral Sanctuary - 6th Division
Astral Sanctuary
#13 - 2014-02-11 15:25:29 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Redpeanut Aumer wrote:

I'm worried about getting ganked but also want to have a very efficient and fast mining experience

That's like saying you want high quality and cheap -- hard to get both at the same time. You'll have to pick which is more important to you. After a while you could have both a Procurer & Retriever, use the Procurer when you think trouble is around. Use the Retriever when you feel safe and will be paying attention.

I recommend starting with a Procurer. It's cheaper, stronger & easier to fit with low skills. Only downside is you'll have to warp to the station more often to unload. 12,000 ore hold compared to 5,000 for Venture.
This fit has 57K EHP with max 5 skills (way more than needed to get people to leave you alone unless they REALLY don't like you). This fits increases ore yield by have 2 laser upgrades and a survey scanner.

strip miner 1

Survey Scanner
EM Ward Field II
2 x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

2 x Mining Laser Upgrade 1

2 x Medium Core Defense Field Extender 1
Medium anti-thermal screen Reinforcer 1


Until you have the skills (& money to afford the CDFE), you can use Adaptive Invulnerability Field 1 + a DCU (damage control unit) in one of the low slots

In general, be leery of the fits in battleclinic. First stop should be Eve University to see the fits they recommend along with their notes. Jesterstrek is also a good source for fits. Get EFT or pyfa to test fits that work with your current skills.
With a Procurer you should try to mine in .6 or .7 systems. You will be safe and will find more valuable ores. With a bit of experience .5 systems are no problem.

Mining while doing something else on the computer is recommended, but walking away from the computer would definitely require a tanked Procurer or Skiff and is not recommended. A mining barge sitting there without it's lasers on is going to attract attention.

A single Hobgoblin 1 drone will take care of any rats that bother you in a Procurer.

Try ice mining after you have a bit of experience, learn how to look for ore anomalies, and be willing to chat with people in local. An Orca boost greatly increases yield. Any worthwhile corp should have one. Some orca pilots will give you a free boost if you ask them nicely (although I don't understand why).

Try some other aspect of Eve like PvP, exploring, PvE or manufacturing before you train the skills to get into a T2 mining barge. You might find you like something else better.









Thank's for this nice long post, you gave me some very helpful tips. :)
Haraukiae Youik
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-02-11 18:48:48 UTC
Procurer over Retriever. Retriever will get ganked a lot more often then a Procurer as the Procurer actually can field a tank.

You can't be afraid to be ganked (and thus tank it) AND go for max mining yield and max cargohold all at the same time. EVE is a game of balance, you have to balance out your options to a point where you are comfortable.

Also, if you are so afraid of losing the ship, you shouldn't be using it (hint to rule 1: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose).

DO NOT, I repeat, do NOT AFK mine. It's a death sentence.


And how hard is fitting a mining barge.

Highslots: Strip miners

Mid slots: prop mod + shield tank

Low slots: DCU and fill the rest with MLU

Rigs: Shield rigs

Drones: Pack of light drones for rats.


EDIT:

And with 11 days...train up those core skills before going bigger. Just because you can sit in a ship doesn't mean you can actually USE it.[/quote]

Great advice. With trit prices hi you can mine in 1.0 and .9 systems (except Jita) and be relatively safe.
Redpeanut Aumer
Astral Sanctuary - 6th Division
Astral Sanctuary
#15 - 2014-02-11 20:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Redpeanut Aumer
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Redpeanut Aumer wrote:

I'm worried about getting ganked but also want to have a very efficient and fast mining experience

That's like saying you want high quality and cheap -- hard to get both at the same time. You'll have to pick which is more important to you. After a while you could have both a Procurer & Retriever, use the Procurer when you think trouble is around. Use the Retriever when you feel safe and will be paying attention.

I recommend starting with a Procurer. It's cheaper, stronger & easier to fit with low skills. Only downside is you'll have to warp to the station more often to unload. 12,000 ore hold compared to 5,000 for Venture.
This fit has 57K EHP with max 5 skills (way more than needed to get people to leave you alone unless they REALLY don't like you). This fits increases ore yield by have 2 laser upgrades and a survey scanner.

strip miner 1

Survey Scanner
EM Ward Field II
2 x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

2 x Mining Laser Upgrade 1

2 x Medium Core Defense Field Extender 1
Medium anti-thermal screen Reinforcer 1



This is what I'm currently working my skills towards and will also be leveling CPU and Power Grid Management up to level 5. Do people Agree that this would be a good fitting for a Procurer? If so I'm going to do this and use my Venture for a week or so before making the move to the Procurer.

Edit: Also what Augmentations would be best for mining? Are there ones that increase yield or should I get one to help with power management or what? Like I said I'm very new and getting tips from people has been very very helpful. :)
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-02-11 22:32:14 UTC
I wouldn't use a mining-related implant when you're in the early going - you don't know what else you might want to use those implant slots for, and you can't unplug an implant without destroying it. Early on, it's best to concentrate on skills - definitely get your core skills up, including CPU, powergrid, and the various capacitor skills. They'll serve you well in any endeavor you choose to undertake.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
#17 - 2014-02-11 23:56:49 UTC
Redpeanut Aumer wrote:
So I just started Eve a few days ago and I'm about to finish the skills to use a Mining Barge but as I'm new I would much appreciate it if someone could help me with some things.

Somethings you should know:

I will be playing solo for awhile
I have no idea about what fittings I should use
I'm thinking of picking either the Retriever or Procurer
I will be in High-sec (between 0.9-0.7 probably)
I'm worried about getting ganked but also want to have a very efficient and fast mining experience
I tend to AFK a lot while mining but would probably be more observant when I get my Barge
I am really new to the game and honestly still don't know much

I seen this site (http://eve.battleclinic.com/index.php) has loadout tool so if anyone could maybe use that to help me understand the fitting more I would really appreciate that too.

Any tip/tricks would also be very useful for me. Thanks for any help and I'm really looking forward to getting into eve and have been having fun right now even just mining.


I gank miners. That is pretty much my whole reason for being. I would strongly suggest that, given what you have said, you get a procuror. I don't gank Procurors.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#18 - 2014-02-12 00:28:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
OP, this is the fit you should be focusing on.

[Procurer, Low skill HS]

Mining Laser Upgrade I
Mining Laser Upgrade I

Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I

Strip Miner I

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

It will give you a good yield and at least 50k EHP (up to 60k with lvl5 skills) against antimatter/void for a cost of 23 million isk rigged. Remember to stay on your computer when mining, keep orbiting a roid instead of standing still and using your dscan for situation awareness. Upgrade modules to T2 if/when you have the skills for them.

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Hope that helps, cheers..C:
ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#19 - 2014-02-12 01:20:03 UTC
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ISD Alliance
#20 - 2014-02-12 16:34:03 UTC
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