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CCP asked, "why don't we have more forum activity?" Here's why.

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2014-02-11 16:43:58 UTC
Hm. Yeah I guess you're right. Sorry.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#162 - 2014-02-11 16:56:39 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Said mails/posts would prevent future incidents.

From repeat offenders, sure, but from what I've seen there's always new people who need to be prodded about the rules. They often do not break them again after being reprimanded. So... either some people are recycling alts to troll more effectively (does anyone actually spend that much effort?), or the mails would be inefficient long-term.

This has given me an idea of something I need to try, though.

ISD LackOfFaith

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#163 - 2014-02-11 17:08:56 UTC
Quote:
it falls to us to bring problem posters to CCP's attention. The issue comes in at the point where we cannot reliably know someone is being problematic unless we have to moderate that one person over and over.


So... correct me if I am wrong here, but what I am seeing is "never not report".

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#164 - 2014-02-11 17:11:06 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
it falls to us to bring problem posters to CCP's attention. The issue comes in at the point where we cannot reliably know someone is being problematic unless we have to moderate that one person over and over.


So... correct me if I am wrong here, but what I am seeing is "never not report".

So long as you're reporting actual rulebreaking, yes, never not report. Abusing the report system with false reports has itsn own penalties.

ISD LackOfFaith

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#165 - 2014-02-11 17:13:49 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
it falls to us to bring problem posters to CCP's attention. The issue comes in at the point where we cannot reliably know someone is being problematic unless we have to moderate that one person over and over.


So... correct me if I am wrong here, but what I am seeing is "never not report".

So long as you're reporting actual rulebreaking, yes, never not report. Abusing the report system with false reports has itsn own penalties.


Certainly fair.

One would find oneself concerned about EVE-O's notorious grey areas, in such a case?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#166 - 2014-02-11 17:19:13 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
One would find oneself concerned about EVE-O's notorious grey areas, in such a case?

It would be great if we could give feedback on reports of the kind "no, that's not an offense, leave it be," but that's not a feature that exists. I wouldn't worry about it too much. I've only seen a couple of people ever get in trouble for their reports, and it was not a case of "gray area" but rather clear abuse. After all, it's the ISD's job to discern gray cases. Making us do our jobs is just... well... expected.

ISD LackOfFaith

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#167 - 2014-02-11 17:30:00 UTC
Thanks for clarifying some things, unknown even to this 4 year player.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#168 - 2014-02-11 18:35:41 UTC
Biggest issue as luck would have it are the professional forum trolls being allowed to keep trolling until the thread becomes locked and trolls keeps posting.

If a thread gets locked for trolling then someone should be on a forum vacation.
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#169 - 2014-02-11 18:40:22 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
professional forum trolls


plees paye yore thurtyfore nyne tee nyne noaw

i hav hamstars to feed

ore yoo cood bi a poasting permitt

onny 10m isk

"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#170 - 2014-02-11 18:42:27 UTC
Billy McCandless wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
professional forum trolls


plees paye yore thurtyfore nyne tee nyne noaw

i hav hamstars to feed

ore yoo cood bi a poasting permitt

onny 10m isk



You know as well as I do that it would be tree fiddy.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Billy McCandless
Zacharia Explorations Group
#171 - 2014-02-11 18:51:01 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


You know as well as I do that it would be tree fiddy.


aye aint noe gord dam lock nezz munster

"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal
Winchester Steele
#172 - 2014-02-11 19:03:03 UTC
I must be f'd in the head, because I love this community. Eve-o GD is a place for discussion, trolling, and a good dose of HTFU. If you want informative try the subforums, lots of good stuff in there.

You want to see a truly toxic community? Check out League of Legends. The Eve community is filled with gentleman and scholars compared to that cesspit.


Also, to the guy who said reddit and informative in the same sentence. LOL. Reddit is just f'in awful bro. It is, quite literally, the lowest common denominator when it comes to forum IQ. Hth.

Want more activity in Eve-o? Real simple. Stop with the over the top censorship and moderation and people will start posting here again. Until that time, Eve players will continue to post in forums that are less draconian in terms of moderation.

...

Major Ream
#173 - 2014-02-12 08:36:42 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Want more activity in Eve-o? Real simple. Stop with the over the top censorship and moderation and people will start posting here again. Until that time, Eve players will continue to post in forums that are less draconian in terms of moderation.


This. Nobody gives a **** about the GUI or how topics are organized or what formatting tools we can use.

Also, maybe allowing content and direct links to limited, trusted sites like Dotlan and zkillboard?
Speaking of which, no killmails - well I guess only morons would write battle reports here instead of Failheap/EN24/Mittani/Kugu, right? Because a battle report without a linkey to see what died isn't really much of a battle report now, is it?
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#174 - 2014-02-12 09:08:13 UTC
Major Ream wrote:
Because a battle report without a linkey to see what died isn't really much of a battle report now, is it?
Write one in Crime & Punishment and you can include all the killmail links you want.

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
Gil Roland
Roma Aeterna
#175 - 2014-02-12 11:19:36 UTC
Your Dad Naked wrote:
[CUT]
"This is the EVE forums, a place occupied by spreadsheet neckbeards with little to say outside of bashing a players ship choice and/or fitting or playstyle. Do not expect any sort of sympathy, useful comments or friendliness."

That is spot on.

There is something else. This forum is mainly used for in game politics and meta game actions, and literally infested from nullsec alts. No matter if your idea/topic/discussion is good or bad. As soon as you post, you'll get scanned from some big alliance pet. If your topic/idea/post happens to be bad for big alliances lords, your thread get immediately reported by the pet to their masters. Next thing you know is your thread get infested by null sec trolls, derailing the discussion and such.

I think the only real solution to this plague is to implement new rules for forum moderation, but that would imply a Meta Game war between CCP and big null sec alliances. And since CCP is scared from Null Sec alliances, that's not gonna happen. So yeah, "deal with it".
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#176 - 2014-02-12 13:40:48 UTC
having played numerous MMO's and other assorted online games i have noticed that however popular a game is, the forum users is always but a small number of the overall game users. So many ppl simply do not log into the forums, or read them, or even bother to recognise them just because, they dont want too, need to.

Even the pretty hardcore limited audience flight sim i used to play had a forum that one might consider as dead, not because the game had no players, it always had servers running and players online, but even the most avid flight sim fan isnt necessarily a forum goer even if its about the ultra genre specific of a ww2 flight sim.

Pretty safe to say the same counts for Eve too, 50k ppl playing the game may equate to merely 500 or less on the forums
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#177 - 2014-02-12 14:20:33 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
A lot of people won't like this.

We REMOVED GENERAL DISCUSSION.

You want to see forum traffic really drop? Do just that. I'll never post here again myself...

But I see the ISD's as the biggest problem. I understand keeping things under control and hsving rules about trolling and abuse.

But continually locking posts for "lack of content". One mans crap is anothers mans content...
Winchester Steele
#178 - 2014-02-12 18:32:55 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
A lot of people won't like this.

We REMOVED GENERAL DISCUSSION.

You want to see forum traffic really drop? Do just that. I'll never post here again myself...

But I see the ISD's as the biggest problem. I understand keeping things under control and hsving rules about trolling and abuse.

But continually locking posts for "lack of content". One mans crap is anothers mans content...



^ This. This. 1000x this. First thing I do when I hit Eve-o is check the locked posts, as more often than not these are the most entertaining posts to read.

A forum without bluster isn't a forum worth reading imo. All that is allowed on Eve-o any more is lame ass "buff/nerf hisec/nullsec" and "waaaahh WIS" threads. I sorely miss the GD of my Eve youth.

...

ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#179 - 2014-02-12 18:38:58 UTC
Discussion of specific instances of moderation is still not allowed, and I have removed a couple posts to that effect.

ISD LackOfFaith

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#180 - 2014-02-12 22:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:

There are good things about it though:
  • Small fun perks, like my eye and arm.
    • WTF

    In my job I'm allowed to keep both eyes and both arms...