EVE General Discussion

I'm hopeful that the popularity of Rokhs and Hyperions will change, at least to a degree. I think that is something we won't know for sure until people have a chance to play with them post patch for a while in TQ circumstances.

Yeah, lets look at that:


- DPS is done with BS sized guns. Which means they can't hit well targets up to the cruiser size.

"IF" they are right on top of you. At any kind of range frigates and cruisers can be popped fairly easily if you know how it's done.

- No Drones except Talos. Which means every ship that is smaller then a cruiser can eat you alive.

For balancing purposes this is a good thing. Without this these ships would be stupidly overpowered.

- No Tank or very little. Well I actually don't mind that. Glass cannon should have low HP, but high utility and versatility, sadly those BCs don't have utility nor versatility.

Any ship or fitting of a ship to fall into the "glass cannon" category does NOT tend to be versatile, thus the designation of glass cannon. It does one thing well, it shoots (hard) and scoots.

- The price is too high. t1 BS might cost you less. If I was to choose between t3 BC and t1 BS I'd take Phoon or Domi for sure. Those BCs can't compare to them.

Price should be just below T1 BS, with is just about right. If you try to take a Phoon or a Domi with a fast moving roaming gang you will be asked to go reship. Current BC's are sometimes allowed to accompany roams of this type, but reluctantly as they tend to slow down the fleet. These new BC's do not suffer from that drawback.

- Making a PvP ship only is a fail. 80% of this game is about PvE. Carebears and others outnumber everything.

There are very few ships in game that fall into the PVP only category. No, these ships will likely not be used in level 4's, but for ratting or most anything else they will certainly see use. That being said, saying that the development of a few PVP only ships is pointless is absurd in the extreme. By your logic any ship that focuses primarily on EW is fail.

- The role of those ships itself is a bit useless and can be replaced with another ship type easily.

As shown above, that is simply not the case. Even vs Cap ships these new BC's have significant advantages over BS use (being much harder for cap ships to hit), let alone at thier primary role of fast, small gang support/firepower.


I'm sorry you can't do level 4's in them, you'll have to choose from the vast array of ships that can handle them already available to you.

Imagine every CCPs new content were made for non-carebears. In other words every expansion they get nothing to play with.
How many will be here to stay? What will be when every carebear leaves?
My guess there will be 3000-5000 people online at prime time. Eventually with no money support game might die.

Yes, I'm being very dramatic here.
But still it's very sad when new stuff comes in and there is nothing for you in it.

As for me, I'm going to fit Thrasher or Dramiel after expansion kicks in and go ganking those new BCs with a few buddies.
I only see Talos fits good in a small roaming gangs. Because sniping doesn't work well in this type of a gang.

So you won't fly anything that can be one-shotted by a Machariel?
(Also- Nice love the fotm machariel fanboi, and omgpiratebs'sareOP in the same post)

So no frigates, no cruisers, no PvE Battleships/T3's, no haulers.. your an idiot.



No- 80% of your game is about PvE. MMO's either cater to all sides, or dwindle and die.. You got marauders, we're getting battlecruisers. Besides- for PvE who needs more then a Tengu?

These things can hit Cruisers fine and your gang should take care of anything smaller.


They have more then enough HP. My Shield Nado gets 50k EHP, my Oracle 45k EHP. Learn to fit.

No T1 Battleships will not cost you less. These Battlecruisers move faster then most Cruisers. If you do not know why that is a wonderful incredible thing that makes these things all but God Ships then you really need to wipe the drool off and stop pretending you have a clue what you are talking about. My God you actually compared two classes of ships with completely different roles as if they overlap in anyway.

Those numbers are accurate...

Putting BS-size guns on a hull with the speed of a cruiser is going to be great for pvp. It is going to be more important than ever to control range in the fight, and fitting a ship is going to be more than maxing your dps at "shoot 'em in the face" range in EFT.

I think the eventual result of having these ships around is going to be better pilots and manual flyers. I like this.

True. No matter how good destroyers will be at dps, they still are a paper and pop up very fast.
Actually by Thasher I meant Sabre since no one flys real Thrasher, at least not in my corp. Was my bad.

Didn't fly any dictor for a long time and now I've found some reason to do it out again.

Anyways in a few days we might have a chance to see how it works out.

Uhhh.. Incarna came out 6 months ago- let the needless whining cease already.

This is a PvP game, just because your playing the equivalent of 'Solitaire in Space' doesn't mean a large majority of the playerbase hasn't been desperately awaiting this xpac..

The role of the Tier 3 is to deliver BS-sized weaponry to the battlefield to be taken against larger ships. A BS can almost tank BS-fire, but beyond that class, even larger and slower ships sustain more damage to BS-sized weaponry. Therefore is a "one up" in weapons size that will make the Tier 3 deadly for capitol ships and a huge damage factor for battleships.


However, the inability to sustain damage, and the nature at which capitol ships are engaged in fleet encounters, implies that the Tier 3 ship is going to depend heavily on support.


Hence you will see a case whereby the cap ships are "nerfed" to such a degree that they require support, and so a tool that can be deployed cheaply to attack them also requires support. This is evidence that CCP is continuing further in development of mechanics that further the concept of "group play".

What do you guys think about using the Tornado for vanguard sites?

It has 55.9K EHP fit with:
2x Invuln II
1x Photon II
2x LSE
2x Defense Field Extender
1x Anti-Therm Screen II

With 76, 72, 73, 77 resists. Coupled with a sig radius of 248 and a speed of 281 m/s.

The recommended Hurricane fit has 59K EHP with same resists, 290 sig, 206 m/s.

So.... Tornado should hold up fine yes?