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'In Real LIfe I am KInd. In EVE I am a Psychopath'

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#221 - 2014-02-11 23:01:03 UTC
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So, tell me: What would happen in a game of football if you AWOXed your team? Why?


Ask Peyton Manning.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#222 - 2014-02-11 23:02:17 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
So, football=EVE Online=online poker. Did I read that right?
No, you're strawmanning and doing so in a very dishonest and antisocial way.
The rest is your own misunderstanding of your own strawman.
Well done.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#223 - 2014-02-11 23:08:45 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:

My humblest apologies for not bothering to find out if The Daily Mail for once honestly reported a science or technology study, and for checking if the study (Meaning, the peer-reviewed paper) was done with a statistically significant of people with control groups and double blinds etc., along with all the other hallmarks of a rigorous study.
But on the other hand, that also means I do not claim to know what the study said.
Only what The Daily Mails article claimed that it said.


Again, who cares if they're reporting it accurately? No news site will.

It's a web site. A conduit. If you can't be bothered to make the three clicks to find out the facts, then you shouldn't be commenting on it. Period.

Mr Epeen Cool
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#224 - 2014-02-11 23:09:39 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
[EVE Online and poker are] both games that can be for fun or for competition, and where feelings can be invested. Similar indeed.
Poker has a more defined goal, EVEs sandbox makes it slightly more complicated, but for the purpose of analogy it's pretty fitting.

...

What a non-sequitur, just like "waaaaah eve = tech poker = paper waaaaah".


EVE can definitely be played competitively. Poker can be played non-competitively. I agree that in many ways, the analogy can be very fitting. So, I'll ask again: What is the EVE Online equivalent of a "royal flush"? What is the poker equivalent of a "hot drop"?

Your thought processes seems to be lacking coherence. If it is a good analogy to say that EVE is like poker, then how does it not follow to wonder how certain "plays" in EVE are like certain "plays" in poker, and vice versa?


Because the purpose of the analogy is purely to point out they are both games, as defined in my last post in this thread, played against other players with high potential for ingame loss and an emphasis on psychological warfare (bluffing vs. scamming, poker face vs. baiting, etc). They don't need to match point-for-point with each other because that's not what the analogy is meant to demonstrate. I'm still not certain why you're trying to establish that fine a level of correlation.


Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…so, much like what I said then: the ones that treat the game as a game and laugh at the hilarious mistakes and pratfalls it inevitably generates are well-adjusted people. The ones who can't separate game from reality and who abuse and threaten other players for things that happen in the game — commonly when they perceive a loss of some kind — are the ones who need to have their medication adjusted. The gankers you keep yelping about don't play to win; they play for fun, for challenge, for the act of bonding.


OK, but why are these supposedly well adjusted people griefing psychologically trouble players? Does it make sense that you'd sit at a poker table playing poker with psychologically troubled individual who kept threatening to murder you every time you check-raised or folded before the flop? What would that make YOU? How would that be fun? Is that what poker is "about"?


If I went to a poker group and we had someone like this in the group, he'd probably just be ejected from the group. No one likes people like that around. In a situation where we don't have control over who is in the group, we'd probably just ignore him. In EVE, you can't tell who these people are ahead of time. That miner you gank might go "haha, nicely done, I'll pay more attention in the future" or he might wish cancer on your grandmother. When presented with that, people will usually respond negatively. In this case, people have tended to respond with derision and scorn. The fact that this behavior of spewing insults has proved systematic among certain player types has resulted in people specifically hunting those types because they don't like those types of people.

If people did not react with vicious bile when presented with unwilling loss of internet pixels, there would not be a cottage industry dedicated to finding and getting said bile.


Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
(And, just because this one is a running theme of the thread:)


It's not your job to determine the actions of others. It is your job to determine your own actions and reactions. Other people get to be just that, OTHER PEOPLE. They are not objects that you control. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF. If you have a problem with them playing EVE, that is a motivation that you bring into the game from OUTSIDE of the game, and the things that you do under that motivation are not "playing EVE", no matter whether you do them "in-game" or not.


I don't even know how to respond to this, given that the entire topic of the thread revolves around putting an out-of-game label on players due to their actions inside a video game. That rather smacks of worrying about other people.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#225 - 2014-02-11 23:22:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Galen Darksmith
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Galen Darksmith wrote:
And American football is played with a little bit of pigskin and a field . . . we can talk about online poker, which is a computer simulati . . . Does that make it close enough for EVE for you to get the connection?


So, football=EVE Online=online poker. Did I read that right?

I agree that all games have some unifying principles. That's why we can even classify very different activities like football and EVE Online and online poker as all being instances of this something we call "games".


No. Football = game, EVE online = game, Online poker = game. That doesn't mean they are all the same, but they all share that some aspects in common. At first glance you you seem to have difficulty with this concept and then you state exactly what I was getting at!

Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
So, tell me: What would happen in a game of football if you AWOXed your team? Why?


You would get ejected from the game and likely your team for breaking the rules. This is different from EVE Online, where such activity is not against the rules.

Question for you: what the hell does this have to do with the topic at hand?

Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Galen Darksmith wrote:
I am here to [blow] up spaceships . . . you are not . . . high on my list of priorities.


OK, but why not just play a single player game, then? Is there some element of the game that you cannot get without causing loss to others?


Competition against a thinking, living, breathing opponent. Computers can be outsmarted, and usually need to essentially "cheat" to even remotely be a challenge. Players are a wildcard that AI can never hope to match.

And yes, in order for someone to win, someone else has to lose. The trick is to learn from defeat and even learn to enjoy the defeat, because win or lose, you play the game to have fun. I don't always win, and I'm OK with that. I wouldn't be playing a competitive game if I couldn't accept loss in the game.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#226 - 2014-02-11 23:24:33 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Again, who cares if they're reporting it accurately? No news site will.

It's a web site. A conduit. If you can't be bothered to make the three clicks to find out the facts, then you shouldn't be commenting on it. Period.

Mr Epeen Cool
It almost seems like you're calling The Daily Mail a newssite.

Besides that, I have not commented on the article before I replied to you here (A part of which you quoted). If I wanted to google it and spend time going through it, I could. I could also just look through what The Daily Mail wrote and see that there is no basis for their claims in their article, and they provide no source for their claims. Yes, I'll simply disregard it.
If the OP wanted to discuss actual studies, it would not link to The Daily Mail.

If you link to studies that are statistically significant (I mean, extrements, I have worked on studies with 1100 respondents, and I don't have a bachelors degree yet, holy intercourse!) and all the other jazz, I will care about those. Until then, there have been a lot of internet psychology going around, and you won't see me apologise for laughing at someone who thinks they can do that, with or without a link to The Daily Mail.
Bring evidence one way or the other.
I won't be holding my breath.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#227 - 2014-02-11 23:36:08 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
So, tell me: What would happen in a game of football if you AWOXed your team? Why?


Ask Peyton Manning.


Peyton Manning is a psychopath!!!

I read it in the Daily Mail.

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Orin Wright
State War Academy
Caldari State
#228 - 2014-02-11 23:36:34 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Orin Wright wrote:
help me feel like a normal person..


You ARE a normal person. You just have challenges that other people don't have.



Thanks. I wish people in my area felt like that.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#229 - 2014-02-11 23:45:44 UTC
"I'm not a bad person in real life, I just play one in EvE. I mean, yeah, I get smashed at cons and tell depressed players that they should kill themselves... but deep down I'm really a nice person, honest!"

I agree with OP.

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#230 - 2014-02-11 23:47:47 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
So, tell me: What would happen in a game of football if you AWOXed your team? Why?


Ask Peyton Manning.


Peyton Manning is a psychopath!!!

I read it in the Daily Mail.


Omg it must be true!

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#231 - 2014-02-11 23:49:53 UTC
Beta Maoye wrote:
Everyone has good and bad in him. People tend to reveal their true nature when there is no consequence for their behaviours. I appreciate people who fight in battlefield for territories and glories, but frown upon people who gank mining ship and cargo ship that has no arms.


post with main please. i want to whelp ships at your ship

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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#232 - 2014-02-11 23:55:27 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
"I'm not a bad person in real life, I just play one in EvE. I mean, yeah, I get smashed at cons and tell depressed players that they should kill themselves... but deep down I'm really a nice person, honest!"

I agree with OP.


Aren't you an Amarr bloc aligned roleplayer? Doesn't that mean your character owns, or supports the owning of slaves? What does that say about you in real life, I wonder?

Oh, and every PvPer is a Mitanni alt. *Nods*

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#233 - 2014-02-11 23:55:38 UTC
So the OP is saying that every male player using a female character will turn into a transvestite?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2014-02-12 00:01:16 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
So the OP is saying that every male player using a female character will turn into a transvestite?

Nah, more like their avatars express something about them, which could possibly include the desire to change sexes, but not necessarily.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#235 - 2014-02-12 00:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Again, who cares if they're reporting it accurately? No news site will.

It's a web site. A conduit. If you can't be bothered to make the three clicks to find out the facts, then you shouldn't be commenting on it. Period.

Mr Epeen Cool
It almost seems like you're calling The Daily Mail a newssite.

Besides that, I have not commented on the article before I replied to you here (A part of which you quoted). If I wanted to google it and spend time going through it, I could. I could also just look through what The Daily Mail wrote and see that there is no basis for their claims in their article, and they provide no source for their claims. Yes, I'll simply disregard it.
If the OP wanted to discuss actual studies, it would not link to The Daily Mail.

If you link to studies that are statistically significant (I mean, extrements, I have worked on studies with 1100 respondents, and I don't have a bachelors degree yet, holy intercourse!) and all the other jazz, I will care about those. Until then, there have been a lot of internet psychology going around, and you won't see me apologise for laughing at someone who thinks they can do that, with or without a link to The Daily Mail.
Bring evidence one way or the other.
I won't be holding my breath.


I've looked at the study. It's poorly done for the most part, as would be expected for the reasons I stated a few pages ago. The daily mail is a rag and the very fact that people are basing their opinions on that article makes them stupider than the people who come up with that sensationalistic crap. People who even read it instead of going straight to the link are borderline mental deficient.

These are two different topics. Mainstream media sucks versus poorly crafted studies created for the notoriety of the authors. People here keep reading one and answering another. Not that I expect anything less of this forum.

Mr Epeen Cool
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#236 - 2014-02-12 00:05:09 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I've looked at the study. It's poorly done for the most part, as would be expected for the reasons I stated a few pages ago. The daily mail is a rag and the very fact that people are basing their opinions on that article makes them stupider than the people who come up with that sensationalistic crap. People who even read it instead of going straight to the link are borderline mental deficient.

These are two different topics. Mainstream media sucks versus poorly crafted studies created for the notoriety of the authors. People here keep reading one and answering another. Not that I expect anything less of this forum.

Mr Epeen Cool
You're a glorious Devils Advocate, I have to grant you that.
I actually expected you to come back with a link to the study.
Now I am tempted to go back and +1 your posts. Damn you!
Winchester Steele
#237 - 2014-02-12 00:11:39 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
"I'm not a bad person in real life, I just play one in EvE. I mean, yeah, I get smashed at cons and tell depressed players that they should kill themselves... but deep down I'm really a nice person, honest!"

I agree with OP.



Is this one of those everyone is an alt of TheMittani posts? Are you the only real player left in Eve? You should hook up with Dinsdale, he's the only real player left in Eve too.

...

Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#238 - 2014-02-12 00:17:09 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
"I'm not a bad person in real life, I just play one in EvE. I mean, yeah, I get smashed at cons and tell depressed players that they should kill themselves... but deep down I'm really a nice person, honest!"

I agree with OP.



Is this one of those everyone is an alt of TheMittani posts? Are you the only real player left in Eve? You should hook up with Dinsdale, he's the only real player left in Eve too.
I'm your alt, you're Mittens alt.
Get your coverstory straight!
Mittens is, in fact, all of EVE, and thus all of EVE was doing suicide jokes in a FF panel.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#239 - 2014-02-12 00:20:05 UTC
Hey watch the derailing, this isn't about poker or sex changes or media bias. Its about Psychopathy. ISD said so. Your just proving your all nuts.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#240 - 2014-02-12 00:20:34 UTC
Wow this escalated fast.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!