Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is way TOO open to abuse and would completely destroy bumping as a game mechanic. Bumping causing damage is logical but again this would be open to abuse as you could potentially obliterate smaller ships, unless implementing Mournful Conciousness type of proposal (below).. I still say that freighters need fitting slots. If CCP gives them fitting slots and you fit cargo mods on them, I will laugh and ridicule you as much as the gankers do, when you die and cry. I do not think that they should have high slots or at least any turret/missle hardpoints. Fitting slots will not protect you from bumping, or at least would not prevent it. You will still need a webber. They would allow you to tank a freighter up to carry more (valuable) cargo before you cross the gank threshold.



This could work. But the calculations in-game might cause Jita to lag even worse. i am only hypothesizing. It is a good idea.

Why would it be open to abuse? The only person you can abuse is yourself, if you set it to red or yellow. There is no way you can abuse anyone with that mechanics... And yes, it would destroy mechanics of bumping freighters, which is kinda point of that...

Estrella Sheikh: no, but apparently 1vs1 where one participant always wins is fair?

"Hey guys I'm bumping this dude I can't scram come quick to kill him!"

The exact same mechanic.

are u saying that if a hauler gets caught by an lone BC in low sec, it should be able to 1v1 its way out because its not acceptable for him to have to call friends?..... where do these guys come from? do they even read what they are saying?

why shouldnt it take friends to save a hauler thats been caught off guard by something specially designed to counter it?

if the bumper is alone, log off and come back in a little while. and ppl are still saying the pilot is stuck in his freighter once hes been bumped, but he can eject at any time. and yes, u can attack the bumper, yes it is an acceptable response. just like calling friends or having freinds with u in the first place is a good idea.

the problem with freighter fittings is not just capacity. its also the crazy amounts of extra tank everyone wants. more tank will increase the theshold of what is gankable, but it wont stop ganks. nor will it stop bumping, which is what many of u are saying is the real problem. all it encourages is for ppl to be even more wreckless with the amount they carry, because the meaningful choice of going over that thershold and increasing their risk or staying under that threshold and reducing their risk has been dumbed down. it basically rewards being dumb.

speedy freighters mean more goods get moved faster, the effort of moving items becomes less meaningful and inter-market traders make less money.

so if u give a freighters fittings, u have to nerf its capacity, tank and speed such that even min/max fits toward one attribute don't exceed thresholds that would mean carrying capitals, or dumb down hauling choices, or be detrimental to inter-market trading. to do that, would have to make them so u can only have one attribute to the current setting (or a little higher) at the expense of the other two, rather than what we have now which is all three attributes to the current setting.

the only thing ive seen even come close to this is giving freighters rigs. but u'd probably still end up with a nerfed freighter.

TL:DR freighters are perfect.

His fault for being valuable, his fault for not webbing himself into warp.
His fault for not having friends like the gankers do.

The bumper is spending time there as well, you know? Like he has to actually work for it and spend time keeping the other guy in place. And it only takes one other guy on the freighter's side to avoid being bumped.

But no, you'd rather have everything served to you on a silver platter, maybe WoW is a good game to try?

I was being serious about WoW.
Mistakes happen, once we ganked a freighter as a trial-run to get everyone up to speed on how things works. Once we ganked a freighter we thought was carrying 4b, but mistakes were made by the scanner.

Webbing should be applied before bumping. Just like you should get vaccines before getting exposed to disease.

So, do give a good reason why freighter bumping in hisec to disallow leaving grid needs to be allowed for a ganker?

Scrambler and disruptor does the same thing, disallows leaving grid. The time it takes for a freighter to get back to stargate is longer than the time it takes concord to kill the suiciders. So what is it that bumping is required for in hisec freighter killing (you know, what this threads about)

It's called emergent gameplay and is one of the key selling features of EVE: The Sandbox
If you want to kill emergent gameplay you are going to be in a lot of trouble because either you do it from a "moral point of view" which is very, very bad (do I have to explain why?) or you just nerf all emergent gameplay - which FYI putting up POS in wormholes is (CCP never expected people wanting to live there).

Regardless, taking bumping away will not prevent ganking - it will only constitute to slightly raising the prices of ganks, which in turn means more people will be hauling much more expensive stuff. Just like a system in equilibrium which is put out of balance due to a change in composition, it will re-instate the balance and things will be back to normal.

This is already being done with orcas. Orcas can tank anywhere from 4-5 to 30 catalysts depending on their fitting.

So what you're saying is, it's harder to gank if you can't just start bumping someone and gank when you've gotten all your friends in place? Sounds like you want to make ganking easier, how bout you try wow?

Guess you're just another ganker that wants ccp to do their job for them.