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Did CCP retire Drone use?

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#21 - 2014-02-08 13:53:42 UTC
Lugalbandak wrote:
eve is/was a very afk promoted game , in any other game i play as soon as i start to bake a cake i will die.


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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2014-02-08 14:03:15 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I'm pretty sure only elite frigs go after light drones now, and well there really aren't all that many elite frigs out there. Then again I mostly fly gunboats and well... lol npc frigs.

It's fairly easy to find out. You just need a decent database explorer that lists the NPC stats in a human-readable way.

Chruker is unfortunately two patches behind, but I don't think the NPCs have been changed in the mean-time anyway, so let's just look at this little fellow — a frigate with this stat listed at the very end: AI_IgnoreDronesBelowSignatureRadius 50m.

He'll happily ignore light drones, whereas his elite counterpart (at 25m for the same stat) will kill the hell out of them.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#23 - 2014-02-08 18:04:21 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Absolutely not. What is the point of a reward for these missions if they are entirely risk-free?


When was the last time a rat shot a turret off your ship?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-02-08 19:21:25 UTC
I just did the first lvl4 mission in a long time, Silence the Informant, or somesuch, in a Gila with 1 DLA, 2 DDA's and no Omni.

One Bouncer sustained some armor damage because I was slow to retract them. Hobgoblin II's popped the incoming frigs and drones.

Drones are fine, but you need to pay attention.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#25 - 2014-02-08 19:51:32 UTC
Drones were a perfectly decent waepons system, then some dev got it into his head to wreck them by altering the AI to be hyper-aggressive towards drones (remember how that was supposed to be an iterative step...how's that working out?)
Using mobile drones was eliminated from PvE with that nerf.

So people migrated to an inferior damage system , sentries.
That did not sit well with the dev, because in his view, people in high sec were still making too much cash.

So using the excuse of needing eliminate a problem with blobs in null sec, he wiped out sentry use with the destruction of the omnidirectional module.

And that is where we stand today, where anyone who uses drones in PvE outside of a range bonused hull like the Ishtar and Domi, is utterly screwed.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#26 - 2014-02-08 20:13:41 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Absolutely not. What is the point of a reward for these missions if they are entirely risk-free?


When was the last time a rat shot a turret off your ship?

The last time one said "Pull!" And I launched it off my ship like a clay pigeon.
Your Dad Naked
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-02-09 03:10:25 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
The decision is based on CCP's vision that drones in missions should have a support role only instead of being a DPS boost (I've read that somewhere... some dev blog or dev post, I don't remember where).

Yeah I think you're right about this. Unfortunately it's gone and made drone boats bad for PVE. Dominix is fine I guess but Gila, Vexor Navy are both crap now.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2014-02-09 03:18:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Drones were a perfectly decent waepons system, then some dev got it into his head to wreck them by altering the AI to be hyper-aggressive towards drones (remember how that was supposed to be an iterative step...how's that working out?)
Using mobile drones was eliminated from PvE with that nerf.
Not really, no. They reduced the aggression the AI had towards drones by fiddling with the sig radius limits, which was really the only iteration needed. Beyond that, the strategies for keeping drones alive had been built up since Apocrypha and they remained a perfectly decent weapon system even back then.

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So people migrated to an inferior damage system , sentries.
“Inferior” in the sense that they do more damage more efficiently.

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So using the excuse of needing eliminate a problem with blobs in null sec, he wiped out sentry use with the destruction of the omnidirectional module.
…except of course that neither of those things actually happened. Sentry drone use is just as applicable now as it ever was and the omnilink is still in the game and fully funcitonal. The only difference now is that you can step it up and down depending on the relative distance to the target (which is actually kind of handy). And off couse, null blobbing had very pretty much nothing to do with the omnilink rebalancing.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#29 - 2014-02-09 03:38:55 UTC
Never studied that drone attack sig radius or the other AI stats, thanks. My whole drone usage went out the window with that nerf. Tried it for a while and it just got to be a drag pulling them in with the drone interface. Still carry them but there just not as much fun to use now.

Omni nerf is livable on the Domi though I agree that drones are just two ships as far as subcaps go.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2014-02-09 04:26:05 UTC
…also, finally being able to overheat drone stats? A-a-awesome.
I can only hope they give us more “nerfs” like that. P
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#31 - 2014-02-09 05:22:14 UTC
yeah i have the same problem when i use drones, i deploy them and they get insta locked and i have to pull them in. every ship i use when i do missions now has a web so i no longer use drones, earlier today i was doing a mission and the cruisers switch aggro onto my hobgoblins. Its been about dec 2012 since the changes and im more or less boycotted drone use in anything pve related.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Muestereate
Minions LLC
#32 - 2014-02-09 05:26:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Muestereate
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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#33 - 2014-02-09 09:57:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…also, finally being able to overheat drone stats? A-a-awesome.
I can only hope they give us more “nerfs” like that. P

I can't believe more people haven't twiged on to this.
Rhanna Khurin
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-02-09 10:28:25 UTC
Only elite type ships aggro drones. Normal ships still have the old AI when it come to drones.

As per usual mission tactics. just try and kill frigates and elite ships first then your drones will have trouble free fun.
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-02-09 10:46:08 UTC
Missioning is hard.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#36 - 2014-02-09 20:16:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
See what happened was CCP Falcon was sitting around one day and said "I, in my greatness and infinite glory, shall name a ship after myself, and there shall be much ganking of newbs!"

So he sat around in his Falcon at a gate but noticed that some ships were warping away before he could scramble them. Then he said "This cannot be, for they mock my awesome leetness!" and he added a warp bubble to the ship, so he wouldn't have to actually target people to catch them.

But then someone had a sooped-up speedy ship and they outran his bubble, and the Great One cried "No! I cannot allow this, I shall make my namesake insanely fast as well" and it was done. Now he could catch every hapless newbie that came past and pwn them.

Then something terrible happened - someone fell into his bubble who could actually shoot back! Reeling in terror, CCP Falcon said "No! How dare these pathetic newbs shoot back at my leetness! I shall fill my ship with uber ECM buffs and put an end to this heresy at once!" And it was so.

Alas, even this was not enough. One day a drone ship fell into the bubble of CCP Falcon's namesake ship and launched it's drones. Even though it was bubbled, outrun, outmanuvered, and permajammed, it's drones kept on attacking anyway and his ship actually took a point of armor damage!

This insult simply could not be allowed to stand, so every patch since then has - as punishment for our wicked transgressions - has slowly but surely been grinding drones away to utter uselessness.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-02-11 13:20:23 UTC
Lugalbandak wrote:
drones are fine and getting better , most staps ccp is making lately is to destroy the freaking afk world in eve wich is a good thing.(hello archon blob , hello lvl4 runner etc etc)

im still able to solo most 10/10 in a rattle snake relying heavyly on drones , i just need to play and watch my drones carefully.

eve is/was a very afk promoted game , in any other game i play as soon as i start to bake a cake i will die.

keep up the good work ccp

o/

Except no one used light or medium drones to AFK. They used Doms with heavy drones but more often sentries. AFKing is as easy as ever. You pop your sentries and go AFK. Gardes II will murder anything from battleships to elite frigs.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-02-11 15:30:02 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Drones were a perfectly decent waepons system, then some dev got it into his head to wreck them by altering the AI to be hyper-aggressive towards drones (remember how that was supposed to be an iterative step...how's that working out?)
Using mobile drones was eliminated from PvE with that nerf.

So people migrated to an inferior damage system , sentries.
That did not sit well with the dev, because in his view, people in high sec were still making too much cash.

So using the excuse of needing eliminate a problem with blobs in null sec, he wiped out sentry use with the destruction of the omnidirectional module.

And that is where we stand today, where anyone who uses drones in PvE outside of a range bonused hull like the Ishtar and Domi, is utterly screwed.



My Armageddon does completely fine with the drone/omni directional changes.

I've even learned to watch my cap better because of the changes. HTFU
Vai Yun
Doomheim
#39 - 2014-02-11 15:35:55 UTC
I usually need to destroy the frigates with cruise missiles cause my maxed drones die in a few seconds after deployment.
They suck so bad...
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#40 - 2014-02-11 16:08:37 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…also, finally being able to overheat drone stats? A-a-awesome.
I can only hope they give us more “nerfs” like that. P

I can't believe more people haven't twiged on to this.

maybe because they did the math and found that even overheated, the stats are still worse than pre patch?

if you factor in that, in pve, overheating is not a thing (unless for tank in very bad situation), it is a direct nerf
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