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Incursions do not payout that much!!!
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Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club
#21 - 2011-11-25 06:35:09 UTC
Nyssah wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
Nyssah wrote:
Yea when I put a decent day into Eve running incursions. 8-10 hours or so on a weekend. I easily make 800mill+ sometimes up to a billion ISK in that one sitting, all done in VG's. I love it =]]


You guys actually have to work to make your billions?? Shocked


Don't know if you would call it work. Its more like - warp in - lock **** - shoot - watch a movie on other monitor.

This was my original point I think. But I lost it to the ravages of the forum gods.

Here's a few things they should add:
-Bosses and faction spawns
-Escalations and special sites
-regional incursions that intersect safe and dagerous space, requiring some sort of interaction.
-moar reasons to upgrade fleet to assault and HQ.

Things they should remove:
-1 or 2/10 isk / site
-NMCs

I think that pretty much covered my missing rant
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#22 - 2011-11-25 11:51:48 UTC
Watch a movie on the other monitor? Lol, seriously? Stop trolling and get real here.
If you or any of your fleet members lock up - shoot and then watch a movie then please tell me where and when so we can compete with you guys and get some nice isk out of it.

Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-11-25 13:04:46 UTC
Staffikama wrote:
Having tried hisec incursions I see no reason whatsoever returning into sanctum grinding.
The payout is similair, but having to deal with covert cyno fags and shitspace with loltruesec is whole another thing.

Make cynojammers affect covert cynos and revert the anomaly nerf and I MIGHT reconsider

risk vs reward rabblerabblerabble


The real snicker is that's only the ISK side of it. Now add on the LP side for the rest of the income. Big smile
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#24 - 2011-11-25 21:09:08 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Watch a movie on the other monitor? Lol, seriously? Stop trolling and get real here.
If you or any of your fleet members lock up - shoot and then watch a movie then please tell me where and when so we can compete with you guys and get some nice isk out of it.


I used to watch law & order while running incursions Big smile

In other news:

Working together with 10+billion isk in ship fits earns you more isk per hour than running lvl 4 missions by yourself. More at 11.
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#25 - 2011-11-26 07:37:02 UTC
10/10 Big smile

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
David Clausewitz
David Clausewitz Corporation
#26 - 2011-11-26 08:11:54 UTC
I couldn't get past how derpy his portrait looked.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#27 - 2011-11-26 12:48:00 UTC
Cambarus wrote:


Working together with 10+billion isk in ship fits earns you more isk per hour than running lvl 4 missions by yourself. More at 11.


News flash - working together with 10 other peeps in a fleet that's worth 10b + isk will earn you more isk than solo'ing in nullsec.
Awesome. Big smile
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#28 - 2011-11-26 23:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Cambarus
Ammzi wrote:
Cambarus wrote:


Working together with 10+billion isk in ship fits earns you more isk per hour than running lvl 4 missions by yourself. More at 11.


News flash - working together with 10 other peeps in a fleet that's worth 10b + isk will earn you more isk than solo'ing in nullsec.
Awesome. Big smile

Under ideal circumstances the setup I had running would have pulled in about 1.5bil/hour in nullsec. Just sayin.


Edit: Because I'm not actually sure whether your post was meant to be sarcastic:

There are people who can pull in 100+mil/hour doing lvl 4s in highsec, the problem most people make when looking at incursion payouts is they look at the absolute top tier fleets, where everyone is flying faction BS with top notch skills and tons of experience, and then compare it to mid-tier levels of other areas of the game. Even if there are a handful of people who can make more doing incusions in highsec than plexing/sanctums in null pay on average, the vast majority of the people out there can't.

What's more is that it's not really that big of a problem, because nullsec/lowsec incursions are actually better balanced in regards to highsec ones in terms of available payouts than pretty much any other area of the game, CCP just needs to implement a way to lure sansha into invading your region for farming purposes(And let's not forget that the only reason highsec incursions are farmable is because of a community of thousands of people have agreed to work together to MAKE them farmable).
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-11-27 16:04:34 UTC
I want to know how to make 100m ISK/h in highsec missions D: I can only do 30

Ferox #1
Ooda
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-11-27 17:19:58 UTC
Quote:
I want to know how to make 100m ISK/h in highsec missions D: I can only do 30


Just farm Enemies Abound 3/5, something arround 70-85 mil/hour without great effort. (you'll need 2 agents with that mission)
Spineker
#31 - 2011-11-28 06:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl wrote:
Here is proof.



haha.

Maybe they need 100% boost to cash? CCP at its finest. Not to mention LP exhange
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club
#32 - 2011-11-28 18:13:48 UTC
Spineker wrote:
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl wrote:
Here is proof.



haha.

Maybe they need 100% boost to cash? CCP at its finest. Not to mention LP exhange


Not sure if srs :P
Spineker
#33 - 2011-11-28 18:25:06 UTC
Cambarus wrote:



There are people who can pull in 100+mil/hour doing lvl 4s in highsec,).


BS absolute BullS.

Once in a rare day if the stars align perfect and everything runs smooth and with my 767dps Tengu I might pull 50 to 70. Most times it is 30 to 50.

Incursions need a major nerf and they need to stop the LP exchange whoever was smoking the weed when they did that...
Spineker
#34 - 2011-11-28 18:26:28 UTC
Ooda wrote:
Quote:
I want to know how to make 100m ISK/h in highsec missions D: I can only do 30


Just farm Enemies Abound 3/5, something arround 70-85 mil/hour without great effort. (you'll need 2 agents with that mission)



How exactly are you going to Farm 3/5 more than once a day?
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club
#35 - 2011-11-28 18:45:35 UTC
Spineker wrote:
Cambarus wrote:



There are people who can pull in 100+mil/hour doing lvl 4s in highsec,).


BS absolute BullS.

Once in a rare day if the stars align perfect and everything runs smooth and with my 767dps Tengu I might pull 50 to 70. Most times it is 30 to 50.

Incursions need a major nerf and they need to stop the LP exchange whoever was smoking the weed when they did that...


I think nerf the isk. Leave LP there. It takes an alt with capital indy skills to make those mods, and buyers for the BPCs are rare. People just buy them off the market. It also promotes using alts, which is good imo, since everything else in the game worth it's salt requires them.

The exchange is terrible way to lose isk, so Idon't see your point there. In no way is 1 concord LP only worth 0.8 faction LP (0.4 for smaller faction). It's just nice sometimes if you're @ minmatar inc, and you need ammo, same goes for vindi.

Profit is impossible without selling non-prime number implants (no1 buys +2%s as far as I know) or making BPCs. At least without making it a pain in the ass.
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-11-28 19:00:50 UTC
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl wrote:
Here is proof.
Proof.. finally.


XP? Really??
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#37 - 2011-11-28 19:30:39 UTC
Spineker wrote:
Cambarus wrote:



There are people who can pull in 100+mil/hour doing lvl 4s in highsec,).


BS absolute BullS.

Once in a rare day if the stars align perfect and everything runs smooth and with my 767dps Tengu I might pull 50 to 70. Most times it is 30 to 50.

Incursions need a major nerf and they need to stop the LP exchange whoever was smoking the weed when they did that...

Well the fact that you use a tengu is probably part of the problem. In my vargur I was pulling in 60 or so after loot before LP, and I was rather lazy in how I ran missions.

If I recall correctly someone on the old forums posted the numbers behind 200mil/hour lvl 4s, but that's a bit iffy, probably one of those under-absolutely-optimal-circumstances type dealies.

If you can pull in 70 with a ship that only spits out 770 DPS (and delayed DPS, dealing with defenders etc) then I find it hilarious that you're going to call BS on someone pulling in 100. And before you go whining about how it's something of a maximum from you, these examples of incursion payouts are ALL maximums, from people who got in just the right fleet, had no one go AFK/leave, had everyone perform at least reasonably well in the sites etc.
Spineker
#38 - 2011-11-28 19:52:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
People can post whatever they like reality is far different. LP stores pretty much suck these days.

Tengu melts missions period. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about on any of these subjects. I am max on mission running period and I am telling you 100 million an hour is absolute bullshit.

70 million is upper level and not often nor sustainable on any level of reality. Have I made over 100m in an hour sure I have also made 10m.

You see farming incursions is farming period. They should be made just like missions once they are cleared they are gone they don't come back like some sort of magic reset button.

Or if you think that being able to farm in highsec all day long then allow mission runners to farm missions. Not that I think that is a good idea I just think it shows how stupid incursions are with the farming. I don't care about what people fly either.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#39 - 2011-11-28 22:14:08 UTC
grazer gin wrote:
People who cry about incursions forget about nullsec carebears running sites in BLUE space with intel channels for the surrounding systems wheres your RISK VS REWARD now


How to create a safe space for PVE work in nullsec:

1) Establish military superiority
2) Establish sovereignty
3) Build an infrastructure
4) Defend that area vigilantly
5) Turn your nullbears loose inside the area you secured, built, and defend.

How to make the same isk in incursions:

1) Show up in a shiny ship

That's pretty much it.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#40 - 2011-11-28 23:18:18 UTC
Spineker wrote:
People can post whatever they like reality is far different. LP stores pretty much suck these days.

Tengu melts missions period. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about on any of these subjects. I am max on mission running period and I am telling you 100 million an hour is absolute bullshit.

70 million is upper level and not often nor sustainable on any level of reality. Have I made over 100m in an hour sure I have also made 10m.

You see farming incursions is farming period. They should be made just like missions once they are cleared they are gone they don't come back like some sort of magic reset button.

Or if you think that being able to farm in highsec all day long then allow mission runners to farm missions. Not that I think that is a good idea I just think it shows how stupid incursions are with the farming. I don't care about what people fly either.

Tengu is a good mission ship, to be sure, but it most certainly does not melt anything. You do half the DPS of, say, a nightmare, and even after factoring in the reduced sig radius there are certainly ships that can pull in more than you do.

And for every fleet that pulls in 100+mil/hour, there are 5 that struggle to hit 50, and that;s not even counting the time it takes to get into a fleet (and if you're not in a shiny ship, it may never even happen).

As for the farming thing, the only problem there is that there's only 3 types of sites to run. You'd see the exact same thing with missions were the selection that small.

And to top it all off; you're not even factoring in competition. The exact same factor that can nearly double your isk can ensure that you never make a penny, depending on which side of the competition you're on. The OP only got the numbers he did because of competition for the sites, the guys that got nothing during that time aren't on the forums claiming that incursions pull in too much isk.
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