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Baiting is overpowered, it needs a serious nerf— traps are too good.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2014-02-11 13:37:54 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:


The unpredictability is bad for the game's strategy. If you can't see what the enemy are doing, how can you counter it?



This is a contradiction. If you COULD see what the enemy was doing, you wouldn't need strategy.

Cynos remove all strategy.

A good strategy is to have scouts in nearby areas, choose your setup wisely, choose to engage wisely and so on. This is all made irrelevant by a cyno. At best you will get a small gang or solo ship to engage bait and drop a ton of ships on them.

At worst you can choose not to cyno in if the odds are bad.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-02-11 13:43:42 UTC
I once masterbaited some guy from his brutix into a megathron.... then he 'exploded'. hahaha xD

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#43 - 2014-02-11 14:01:53 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Rovinia wrote:
Fit Ship Scanner, scan suspect ships, analize (cyno?), run/attack.

But yes, in general more cruising, less dropping would be nice Blink But that won't change so quickly, the advantages hotdropping gives you are just to good.

this as less to do with baiting than dropping imaho.

baiting is fine, but the instant "i bring 50BC and 2 triage carriers in your face" is the issue.

there is a reason i changed my fleet doctrine to 200km alpha nados..
because 90% of the time, the solo [insert cruiser or bigger here] is a cyno bait.

now, we used to scan em, but indeed, they adapted by using a 2nd cloacky toon to cyno so the first one pass the scan.

and of course, WE are the cowards (wich turns out fun when the cyno tries to bait 5-8 ppl with 40+ ppl waiting on his spacedildo to drop us and is confronted with it).

tldr: titan drop is deterrent to fight (i think BLOPS is OK because of the weekness / or isk + skill involved, it seems way more balanced)
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#44 - 2014-02-11 14:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:


The unpredictability is bad for the game's strategy. If you can't see what the enemy are doing, how can you counter it?



This is a contradiction. If you COULD see what the enemy was doing, you wouldn't need strategy.

you are wrong, the current situation is avoiding contact because of cyno, if THAT is what you call a strategy......

i've been in too many fights where i engage, even outnumbered, when, as soon as the odds turn in our favor " a wild fleet appears".

thx but no thx

even got my vigilant dropped by 15 BC because 2 cruisers where not able to kill me, only to w/out the second i saw the cyno (thx EC-300), just to be treated of being a coward...go figure....
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#45 - 2014-02-11 14:27:59 UTC
Hmmm.......seems like trolling
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#46 - 2014-02-11 14:28:08 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Diamond Zerg wrote:


The unpredictability is bad for the game's strategy. If you can't see what the enemy are doing, how can you counter it?



This is a contradiction. If you COULD see what the enemy was doing, you wouldn't need strategy.


BAMCIS. learn it...

Thank me later :D
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#47 - 2014-02-11 14:38:06 UTC
I don't always agree with Infinity Ziona, but when I do it is about cynos.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2014-02-11 18:10:19 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
I once masterbaited some guy from his brutix into a megathron.... then he 'exploded'. hahaha xD


That's hmmmm... interesting.
Serene Repose
#49 - 2014-02-11 18:12:13 UTC
Am I reading this right? There's a dead-in-the-water Augoror from an enemy corp just sitting near a gate, and you can't bring yourself not to attack it? So, you need a game mechanic changed to accomodate the fact you can't just sit on your hands once in a while and let something slide? This is really funnier than all the master baiter jokes rolled into one.

Just walk on by...foolish pride....

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Winchester Steele
#50 - 2014-02-11 19:55:34 UTC
My mom told me that if I bait too much I'll grow hair on the armor plates of my maller. C/D?

...

Apollo Roe
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#51 - 2014-02-11 20:53:45 UTC
What a useless post. What a useless thought. There is nothing wrong with baiting except that you dont have the skill to avoid them.
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
#52 - 2014-02-11 20:57:01 UTC
Ah, I see the masterful jokes have already been made in this thread. Good, good. Everything is as it should be.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-02-11 21:35:59 UTC
"A good fleet is nothing without a good FC. A good FC is nothing without a good fleet." - Me, Just Now

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
#54 - 2014-02-11 21:46:38 UTC
The noose has been sprung!
TharOkha
0asis Group
#55 - 2014-02-11 21:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Although OP post is really pathetic, i agree that bridges removed any strategy planning.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#56 - 2014-02-11 22:02:39 UTC
That's not very nice TharOkha.

Still mad about that nerf hisec thread?
Hi.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#57 - 2014-02-11 22:13:39 UTC
I think we need AFK Cloaker to weigh in on this topic.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-02-11 22:15:58 UTC
I actually agree with the basic idea behind the OP. Eve favors large groups too much. Solo PvP (outside of FW sites) does not really work. Even those who are good at it (if they are honest) admit that they lose more than they win.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#59 - 2014-02-11 22:48:31 UTC
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