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Baiting is overpowered, it needs a serious nerf— traps are too good.

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Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#21 - 2014-02-11 04:22:49 UTC
Yeah but they can use a new pilot for the bait to counter the last point.
Hi.
Novah Soul
#22 - 2014-02-11 04:42:32 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:
Hi.

I'd like to present my opinion that baiting in EVE is way too strong, and should be nerfed.

The worst part about baiting in EVE is, often times you have no way of knowing (short of spies in your enemies' comms) that a trap is about to be sprung.

There are many ways you can set up traps in EVE.
You can have people bridge in from a black ops or titan, you can jump caps in with a cyno— you can even have dictors logged off near the bait ship and perform a "loginsky" manoeuvre to pin down heavy ships.
CCP have recently buffed traps by adding the mobile scan inhibitor.

Imo, changes should be made that make setting traps more difficult, and makes bait attempts more transparent, so that with diligent scouting and intelligence gathering you should have a high chance of discovering your enemies' plans.

Just posting to say that I am THE Master Baiter.

ok... wait a minute,,, ummm...

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-02-11 05:22:14 UTC
We should have a module that cloaks an entire gang except the ship using it, removing all the other gang members from local, while cloaked your gang auto travels at the speed of the ship fitting the module and cannot be de cloaked. When you're engaged you can tackle your target and deactivate the module and your gang un cloaks, the cloaked ships have no scan res reduction, and no sensor recalibration delay.

The only downside to this uber cloak module is it locks your ship in place for 10 minutes although it would be able to be fit to any ship in game, even newb ships.

In case you're slow that's what cynos are. Probably the most OP module in game. I use BLOP's but not going to try lie and say cynos are fine though.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#24 - 2014-02-11 07:23:53 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:

The worst part about baiting in EVE is, often times you have no way of knowing (short of spies in your enemies' comms) that a trap is about to be sprung.

Isn't the whole idea of a trap exactly what I underlined? Not much point of a trap if people know it's there.

I'm going to have to go with - working as intended - on this one.

Mr Epeen Cool
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2014-02-11 09:06:25 UTC
maigawd.rofl.
but must admit, nice troll.Lol
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#26 - 2014-02-11 09:16:35 UTC


Diamond Zerg, possibly the best thing to happen to these forums in a loooong time.


Never stop poasting bra.










(p.s, Yes, I am 100% serious)

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#27 - 2014-02-11 09:50:18 UTC
Baiting has always been part of the warlord repertoire.

Some warlord somewhere at some point in time wrote:
"Give the masses a little something to hope for and and when they come to take it - KILL THEM ALL!!"


Most warlords in the modern era do in fact use the mobile scan inhibitor

The most warlordy warlord in the warlordaverse wrote:
"I don't always bait but when I do, I use the mobile scan inhibitor".


Also this...

Dark Warlord Graxx Bemuddlefux wrote:
something... something... warlord...


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Warlord Graxx Bemuddlefux
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-02-11 09:59:55 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Also this...

Dark Warlord Graxx Bemuddlefux wrote:
something... something... warlord...




I never said that! Stop saying that I said stuff!

Something... something... warlord...
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-02-11 10:00:13 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
don't take away master baiting from me

Counter master baiting.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-02-11 10:04:08 UTC
But I mastered Baiting why would i want it nerfed? Shocked
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-02-11 10:20:09 UTC
I mastered baiting a long time ago, and I went blind.

Just something to think about.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#32 - 2014-02-11 10:48:09 UTC
So many things to cringe and whine about, and you pick baiting? Lol
djentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#33 - 2014-02-11 10:50:56 UTC
trolling is underpowered, it needs a serious boost - trolls are too bad.

obvious troll post is obvious - learn to do it right please.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-02-11 12:02:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Baiting has always been part of the warlord repertoire.

Some warlord somewhere at some point in time wrote:
"Give the masses a little something to hope for and and when they come to take it - KILL THEM ALL!!"


Most warlords in the modern era do in fact use the mobile scan inhibitor

The most warlordy warlord in the warlordaverse wrote:
"I don't always bait but when I do, I use the mobile scan inhibitor".


Also this...

Dark Warlord Graxx Bemuddlefux wrote:
something... something... warlord...



Baiting is not the issue. It's the ability to magically transport a team many systems away on top of a person to overwhelmingly kill them.

My opposition to it is that it's much to easy to fit, much to cheap to use and has no negative drawbacks to it like cloaks do and most of all reduce willingness to engage in spontaneous PvP due to "it's a trap???"

If you would be opposed to my gang cloak module suggested you should be opposed yo cynos as they are.

I think ships using cyno should have a temporary recalibration delay just like cloaks do, they should be much harder to fit on non-Recons / non covert ops since the role they perform is a covert ops role .

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Fatal Amelana
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2014-02-11 12:07:37 UTC
C'mon nerfing bridges whatz next pink ui ?
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#36 - 2014-02-11 12:16:02 UTC
Surely a warlord as yourself would come up with something good against it
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-02-11 12:22:07 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Why don't you counter bait.

I prefer to master bait...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#38 - 2014-02-11 12:27:10 UTC
Your Dad Naked wrote:
- How would you know in advance the names of the Titan pilots about to blob you?


Dude, what? You don't think people track things like Titan pilots? Heck knowing this game there's probably a list of every Titan pilot with an active sub in the game.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#39 - 2014-02-11 12:38:20 UTC
Hi, my name is I Love Boobies, and I don't know how to master bait yet. The closest I have ever come to master baiting was the time I sat in a stealth bomber by a can in a belt, and blow people up when they tried to take the stuff. It wasn't very satisfying. I need to learn to master bait. I think it would be very fulfilling. Can you help me master bait?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-02-11 12:40:39 UTC
Diamond Zerg wrote:


The unpredictability is bad for the game's strategy. If you can't see what the enemy are doing, how can you counter it?



This is a contradiction. If you COULD see what the enemy was doing, you wouldn't need strategy.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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