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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-10 15:34:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Today, not before reading some posts in "Features & Ideas" I finally realized:

Stupidity is self defense. AttentionShocked

Really, if some people knew how daft they really were, they would just plain kill themselves.

I can't and won't go into details about this as that would be (I believe) a violation of the forum rules, but DAMN some people are stupid. If it weren't so sad, it could be really impressive... Shocked

EDIT: And just to give this thread some purpose: What was your greatest realization when reading the EVE or some other forums?

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2 - 2014-02-10 16:23:53 UTC
I look at my fellow citizens walking down the street here in Tampa, and ponder at the fact that 70% of them think science is completely wrong, irrelevant, and unnecessary.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-02-10 16:46:27 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I look at my fellow citizens walking down the street here in Tampa, and ponder at the fact that 70% of them think science is completely wrong, irrelevant, and unnecessary.


Oh god [lol, pun]...

I don't envy you.

Unless you see that whole thing as an opportunity to teach them and set them right, in which case I'd envy you for your good spirits [lol, nother pun] and in some cases even bravery. Smile

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2014-02-10 17:31:51 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I look at my fellow citizens walking down the street here in Tampa, and ponder at the fact that 70% of them think science is completely wrong, irrelevant, and unnecessary.


Oh god [lol, pun]...

I don't envy you.

Unless you see that whole thing as an opportunity to teach them and set them right, in which case I'd envy you for your good spirits [lol, nother pun] and in some cases even bravery. Smile


Nah. That's just in Florida. It's that high in other states, mainly in the South, and really low in places like California where that number is less than 10%.

Since we stopped teaching children how to read, we now have 2 full generations who don't even have the literary skills to interpret anything, much less something as esoteric as an ancient text, so they just accept all its statements as truth utterly. And there is no turning back ever really from this mindset once it is that ingrained in a culture (as it is in the Neo-Dixie now). My own father, otherwise an intelligent man, is proof of that for me.

They are not ever going to "listen". God becomes everything in their lives, and the "symptoms" are almost identical to those of a drug addiction, even involving the same parts of the brain. As I know from my own life situation, trying to tell an alcoholic he is an alcoholic is useless. They will not (I did not) believe it for a second.

(cont'd)

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#5 - 2014-02-10 17:32:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
I found this last week in a comment section "somewhere":

"In an essay by Ursula K. Le Guin, she speculated that reading hit its peak sometime in the mid 19th to 20th century and went into decline by the 1960s. She noted, in part, to support that speculation that the standards children have been held to in school have long been in decline.

"I would say that the ability to read and comprehend the Bible went into decline as the standards taught in schools fell. Coincidentally, the notion that the Bible is inerrant ( - incapable of being wrong ) really took off in the late 70s/early 80s in conservative circles, reversing the trend where people were regarding things like the great flood or creation story as legends or myths. So that's where I would personally pinpoint as the moment that Christianity jumped the shark with respect to the Bible - because I don't think you can read the Bible and see it as inerrant.

"She also notes in the same essay that reading declined as other things replaced it as social currency - you could talk about the latest TV show at work rather than a book.

"So to build off the same theme, the Bible also has lost its social currency as people both lack the reading skills to process it and have replaced it with other things. Sure, people can still quote some ****** verses, usually out of both the textual and historical context. But what really marks Christianity as practiced today is televangelists, Christian themed music and TV, mega-churches, talk radio, etc. Christianity ceased to be tied to the Bible (in spite of the Bible taken as inerrant!) and is tied to a dog and pony show, accelerated by the presence of social media."

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#6 - 2014-02-10 17:53:40 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I found this last week in a comment section "somewhere":

"In an essay by Ursula K. Le Guin..."

It's really hard to go wrong by quoting Ms. Le Guin. Have a "Like." Cool


I was trading posts with a number of folks in regards to politics on a well-known site dedicated to fighting ignorance, and a Democratic Party* fund raiser confessed that he would rather tell blunt, damning lies to scare money out of potential contributors than tell a nuanced truth. The lies, he said, were easier for folks to believe, and produced more donations than any other tactic.

That is the point where I gave up on political honesty and integrity. All politics are lies, even those executed with best intentions.

*He was charmingly blunt - And he baldly stated that his telling the truth in that forum would in no way come back to haunt him, because people still prefer to believe simplistc lies than nuanced truths. Reading for comprehension, I conclude that though he did not say so, that all political parties are guilty of the same tactics - Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Green, Labor, Democratic Unionist, Social Democrats, People's Party, Civic Choice, or what have you... Just because it was a US Democrat that broke cover, don't bother pointing a finger, because in my eyes, they're all eaqually black.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2014-02-10 19:10:15 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I found this last week in a comment section "somewhere":

"In an essay by Ursula K. Le Guin..."

It's really hard to go wrong by quoting Ms. Le Guin. Have a "Like." Cool


Sorry the original posting is lost in the length of my Twitter feed, but this was a Comment and the story itself not really relevant to this specifically.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2014-02-10 19:13:11 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:

That is the point where I gave up on political honesty and integrity. All politics are lies, even those executed with best intentions.


"It's all true. Especially the lies" -- Garak (DS9: "The Wire")

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#9 - 2014-02-10 19:16:48 UTC
Has there ever been a time when politics wasn't all lies though?
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#10 - 2014-02-10 19:31:17 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Today, not before reading some posts in "Features & Ideas" I finally realized:

Stupidity is self defense. AttentionShocked

Really, if some people knew how daft they really were, they would just plain kill themselves.

I can't and won't go into details about this as that would be (I believe) a violation of the forum rules, but DAMN some people are stupid. If it weren't so sad, it could be really impressive... Shocked

EDIT: And just to give this thread some purpose: What was your greatest realization when reading the EVE or some other forums?



Haha, yeah there are some really dumb suggestions. Actually most of them are horrible. Worse then what CCP can come up with most of the time.

I came to the realization that its in my best interest to not visit General Discussion unless I want to loose a few brain cells or If I want to feel good about myself.

-k8

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#11 - 2014-02-10 20:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Oh yeah, stupid is a great self-defense. At higher levels, the Stupid skill can completely defeat any amount of intelligence thrown at it. Stupid has the perfect defense: An argument about why stupid might be wrong will probably involve some rather complex explanations. But stupid can't understand those explanations. It can't be affected by what it doesn't understand, therefore it's impervious to intelligence, and therefore it stupidly and stubbornly always wins.

Also, one ounce of stupid can cancel out any number of pounds of smart. Proof: Just look at drivers in traffic. It just takes one stupid driver to wipe out the efforts of a dozen nearby smart drivers.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#12 - 2014-02-10 20:27:11 UTC
A few things I learned, stupid people don't know they are stupid. They either think everyone else is stupid, or you are 'talking down' to them.

Everyone is stupid once in a while and or everyone does something stupid once in a while.

NEVER read eve's GD forum after patch... NEVER! for the love of god NEVER! It used to be way worse, but still...

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#13 - 2014-02-10 20:48:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
DaReaper wrote:
A few things I learned, stupid people don't know they are stupid. They either think everyone else is stupid, or you are 'talking down' to them.


Yes! That is so true. Stupid people tend to be stubborn and inflexible, because they're not self-aware enough to realize that they're stupid. The think they're smart, and that they're right. And they tend to be stubborn and unyielding about it. Stupid and stubborn go hand in hand. (I call it "S&S" to myself. "Uh oh, this one might be S&S, might have to just let him/her be right and have his/her way...")

On the other hand, when I've meet really intelligent people, they tend to be very flexible. Examples: Various medical researchers. A veteran test pilot. A mathematician modeling air flow over aircraft wings using chaos theory mathematics. Professional musicians. All of them flexible and easy-going. Eventually, I started noticing that if I met a very easy-going personat a party, he/she tended to have a high IQ occupation.

DaReaper wrote:
Everyone is stupid once in a while and or everyone does something stupid once in a while.

Well yeah. Smile Edit: My wife and corp mates can confirm this.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#14 - 2014-02-10 21:08:13 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:

Also, one ounce of stupid can cancel out any number of pounds of smart. Proof: Just look at drivers in traffic. It just takes one stupid driver to wipe out the efforts of a dozen nearby smart drivers.

Ancient military maxim:
One "Aw, ****" cancels out one hundred "Atta-Boys."
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#15 - 2014-02-10 23:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Christianity ceased to be tied to the Bible (in spite of the Bible taken as inerrant!) and is tied to a dog and pony show, accelerated by the presence of social media."


A 'church' just opened up by my work. It is called 'Kingdom Pursuers' and when you look through the glass doors you see a large picture of the Minister/Pastor/whatever and their significant other. None of the typical 'Church' like stuff that typically identifies 'typical' churches. I wonder how people walk into that place and think it is about God or Jesus and not just a Cult of Personality.
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
#16 - 2014-02-11 05:39:39 UTC
If it wasn't for all the messes made by stupid people that I have to constantly clean up, I'd have conquered this puny planet years ago.

Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.
Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-02-11 05:46:07 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I look at my fellow citizens walking down the street here in Tampa, and ponder at the fact that 70% of them think science is completely wrong, irrelevant, and unnecessary.


I would like to see the science used to arrive at that number. Please! Pirate

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#18 - 2014-02-11 06:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: NightCrawler 85
My biggest realization (or frustration I guess) on the EVE forums is how many people jump on the chance to be angry at someone (in most cases CCP).

By the time the latest thread naught is done you will have at least 5 different versions on why the specific thing is "wrong" and they will all claim to be the one with the right reason (in many cases it's not even related to what started the while thing), not because they are actually angry, or even care, but because suddenly it's "cool"to be angry and compete about how many accounts your unsubscribing Lol

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-02-11 07:19:04 UTC
DaReaper wrote:

NEVER read eve's GD forum after patch... NEVER! for the love of god NEVER! It used to be way worse, but still...


Lol, do you remember the threads about how people got killed by "invisible" Battlecruisers because they forgot to update their overview settings after the new BC's have been introduced? Lol

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-02-11 08:30:45 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
My biggest realization (or frustration I guess) on the EVE forums is how many people jump on the chance to be angry at someone (in most cases CCP).

By the time the latest thread naught is done you will have at least 5 different versions on why the specific thing is "wrong" and they will all claim to be the one with the right reason (in many cases it's not even related to what started the while thing), not because they are actually angry, or even care, but because suddenly it's "cool"to be angry and compete about how many accounts your unsubscribing Lol


Yes, that did bugged me for quite some time, but after some time it felt like being angry in the F&I and GD forum just seemed to be like some kind of flavor of the month thing (for the last ten years now).

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
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