Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Good post.

Back in days caldari had the best template for miner alt. Achura.

Also it was the best for mission running alt, raven, navy raven, drake. Still is?

It has been caldari > rest of the game, for way too long. In pVE that is.

For my take on this, skip to below the line in the post, above it is psychobabble stuff, if you don't dig this stuff, skip down, if not, continue...

This thread seems to be totally polarized, on one side those who prefer to play the "pvp/bad guy/stacked decks" role. On the other, those who prefer to play the "pve/good guy/fair game" role.

Kinda the same as in RL, fascinating...

This being said, using coercion or control is considered in modern psychology as a symptom of fear and as a desire to feel better, to control one's emotions through the control of the environment and/or others and can be seen most eloquently, in one of it's extremes, in the behaviour of OCD patients.

Control feeds the fear, numbing it for a while. Fear being the mental equivalent to physical pain, it is like using morphine instead of actually taking care of the root cause. Control also acts as a vector of fear, spreading it through free will infringements.

Well people, we got the psychological mechanics right there^^. Now we just have to choose wether we want more madness in the game because there isn't enough already for the taste of the extroverts or if we observe that there is already enough and maybe it's just an outcry from a bored extroverts crowd who would like the introverts to start acting like them like the pandemic we've seen since the dawn of the 20th century with the cult of personality ( favoring extroverts ) that replaced the old cult of character ( favoring introverts ) that is now a cancer for most corporations and governments management. The consensus seems that if we want the best, we need balance in this extro/introvert thing.

See: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiet:_The_Power_of_Introverts_in_a_World_That_Can't_Stop_Talking" for the beef on that introvert/extrovert thing and the mechanics at play in the brains of the 2 "types" of individuals.

Not making any judgements here mind you, merely observing what is and what could be. This is a GAME after all, so such concerns aren't big deals, but it is one game which comes and touches us in remarkable ways...

Really a fascinating thread you started here Ted, gold mine for a psychosocial study and philosopher like me. :)

But we also may have to consider that we'll never be able to balance it and if we do, or if it is, unknowingly, tho this is doubtfull, already in balance, of course the "extremists" of both sides may want it to become more like they want it to be, more like themselves. And it's quite understandable as it would put them more at ease and alleviate their un-ease stemming from inner conscious or even totally under the radar unconscious fears.

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Now, playing the Devil's Advocate to your proposition, I'd have to consider the other side of the coin. If we make some part of the "Empire experience" more risky, then we have to make some other part more safe, for the sake of balance.

So yes, go for lowsec between say Amarr+Caldari and Gallente+Minmattar power blocks, or even between all em fours, BUT in counterpart have the remaining highsec be actually SAFER, if not "foolproof". Nerf ganking, shorten concord response times drastically, fix neutral logis highsec xploit fagotry ( have the wardec propagate to the character via an 'as long as war is on + 1 month permanently activated and not removed by a kill, killright' ), because let's face it, the risk to reward ratio is ridiculously stacked here, just take a look at the alliances killboards doing this all year long, it's ******* absurd. Fix highsec bumping etc etc. This would move the bulk of the action on the lowsec bridges between the power blocks and greatly reduce highsec griefing, making one camp happier and would provide a safer haven for the other side, making them happier too.

All of this would provide an incentive to take risks, as you said for more rewards, for pretty much everyone AND still let everyone FREELY CHOOSE to do it or not.

And it would probably make you happier too, unless you're among those who grief, and if that's the case, tho I doubt it, well... too bad!

Cheers! :)

How about splitting up null sec first.

Remove titans bridge feature. Leave them capable of jumping them selfs only.

There are 4 Josef entities... Only 2 null

In low sec it can't.

A frigate would only survive max 3 volleys from gate guns before it was space dust, if that.

A t1 cruiser wouldn't be able to do so either as it's active or passive tank would not be able to survive the gate guns long enough to kill you.

Secondly, if you are moving a freighter through low sec you shouldn't be alone.

Except the eve map is made in such a way that it creates these problems. Going around Niarja is a many jump affair.

My plan specifically says to add lots of entry systems that criss cross and provide multiple paths of equal or close length, so that it would take many gate camps happening simultaneously for the system to be stopped up.

If there were that many gate camps there would be a ton of pvp ships just sitting on gates to shoot.

What are you saying ?, you want to stop solo movments of everything except for interceptor between empires ?
STFU.

Well, this would be wrong. Moving a JF now isn't a particularly risky proposition, and if the demand for JF and JF services go up, that doesn't really increase the risk of the activity.

What will happen is that JFs will be overwhelmingly used, but fuel ain't cheap and that will be priced into the costs. Depending on what you're building and where you're building, the JF costs of importing/exporting to a hub in a different system will be significant, which means a significant competetive advantage to people who creatively source their materials and can sell locally. It also means more individual customers going to each faction hub rather than automatically to Jita.

If the ease of traveling, and specifically the ease moving large volumes of goods from one area to another is decreased, then its a fairly simple conclusion that where you are and where things are built will have more relevance. If everyone decides as a result to move to Jita, then thats much more profit to be made elsewhere.

There is ONLY 1 high sec link between factions already...

I asked for something like this in another thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=320028&find=unread
Bottom line is that it was a bad idea because the PvP power blocks would hold sole dominion over this game mechanic.

i really think shifting the FW zones to be between highsec empires would make the best lore. but barring that.

i think this would create many niches for players, blockade runners would be huge fun and hauling contracts to another region would mean something!

the only people this would really hurt are the people too lazy to do any real work and just want to afk many haulers from hub 1 to hub 2.

Hek is a great hub because its so close to low sec and on the way to rens. so many people stop and shop there too. (maybe i got that backwards)

if one empire has a lot of pilots in it, the price for modules (aka demand) goes way up in one region and supply from other regions would spike to support this demand.

only thing i do worry about is that highsec is NOT created equal, some regions have great agents while others do not (SOE for example) causing lots of players to migrate naturally to one region over the others for missions. also incursion runners would be impacted, and we cant have that!

Why would the pirates not just use a neutral standing alt to bump the freighter all day?

I have seen it work in high sec without much problem.

Of course in Low sec the frigate could just be shot until you crashed your own standing in self defense.