Wormholes

So a friend and i want to make havoc in low class holes because reasons. There is a certain WH that we want log out in. but are running into a problem. we cant agree what the most effective fleet will be for 2 people to take small pvp fights (less than 5-10 ships total), gank miners, gank ratters, shoot pocos. the fleet kind of has to do a lot of things. maybe too many.

keeping in mind we are in low class systems c3 space and below.

So anyway the current running theories are (given in direct quotes from our conversation)

2 marauders:
pros:
-being that they are really good solo and by extension duo,
-high damage, best self rep (no logi here clearly),
-will be great at shooting structures, (can counter dickstar, can take towers pieces at a time by being out of its range)
-and you will get fights, especially ones you dont want
cons:
-omfg this is the dumbest ******* idea ive ever heard, ever heard of a neut ... ya...ur ******.
-ull never get point on anything if you plan on being far away.

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2 ishtars:
pros:
-good solo/duo ships
-tons of ppl crying opopopop on forums about them...hmm might be appealing
-good t2 resists
-plenty of utility highs
-the fact that we can sit here and argue over shield and armor tank means we can refit and fight in any hole really.
cons:
-while sentries will be good at shooting pocos; you will still be there for all eternity

===other incomplete ideas===

1 proteus + 1 onerios. pretty ******* horrifying dps with logi is nice. but a 2 man fleet already including logi... sounds lame. but can solve point problems because proteus is and always will be awesome.
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1 proteus + 1 hic/dic: well that certainly solves the pointing problem.... but can it survive 2v5?
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2 t3s: just ******* admit it this is the way the meta is, stop thinking so hard. why the hell are 2 ppl trying to fight structures anyway!?


thoughts?

or is the solution to train many things and reship for the job at hand?

If your talking marauder money and have the skills + ability then machariels - you can outrun/kite most stuff rather than commiting to a fight that can easily overwhelm 2 people, plenty of tank and damage output, etc.

I once went on a 2 week expedition in a lower class WH occupied by "The Kingdom of Heaven" two cloakie proteus' and a HIC that would occasionally join us from hisec connectors pretty much wrecked them over that time. Although we caused much damage, even the carriest of bears can get fed up. I was eventually podded out when they just brought in too much of their PVE junk at the same time. So I vote cloakie proteus and have an alt inside to do your scanning so your proty's can have more DPS.

Indeed 2 man anything sub-cap shooting POCOs makes watching paint dry entertaining :|

Sadly I was more interested in finding your losses :)

yes, which is why you scoop it after use.

in any case, 100mn tengus are still the best at this kind of thing.
nothing else gives you the freedom to engage pretty much anything without fear of not being able to disengage.

dont bring any BSs anywhere near this, theyre not going to end well.

WWJD: What Would Jack Do?

The answer is 100mn T3's. They are fantastic for that sort of thing. You also have to know what to engage and what not to engage.

If you only got two people, you want to avoid anything with serious logisupport. A 100mn tengu can easily take on 2 lokis on their own, but you can't do jack **** if they bring either a falcon or the above-mentioned logistics.

Atleast if you want to shoot actual pvp-people and don't want to just go against ratters and gank bears. If you got two people, should think about getting one of you into anything with jams, like a falcon. Else you engage something, they log a vigilant and two guards and you're stranded.