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How easy can the average miner keep a belt below profitability?

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-02-10 20:32:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Flashy 'Red' Bee
Greetings, capsuleers!

EDIT1: I've changed the topic, because I realized that my question was phrased wrongly.


That's my question. There's really not much to add to it.


I'm not a miner and I don't plan on becoming one. My question is a piece of a puzzle I have to put together and data based on experience beats search engines, especially as times can change very easily.


I'm not sure if the "average miner" has a supporting alt in an orca, or a second mining ship. I just want to be covering a lot of people... on a per-player basis and not on a per-character basis.

I'd love to have a chat with you, as long as the chat covers numbers and maybe even timeframes too. ;)



Miners! I choose you! *throws veldspar-ball*


EDIT2:

Clarification seems needed. By 'profitability' I am talking about the fact that people will move to belts with bigger asteroids, when close ones only have micro asteroids not needing even one mining cycle until depletion. Maybe two?
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#2 - 2014-02-10 20:37:53 UTC
Does... not... compute...
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#3 - 2014-02-10 20:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
by "below profitability" I assume you meant to crunch most of the belt, leaving only tiny little micro-asteroids behind?

Also, I'm not sure what a "full belt" is. I think it varies widely from system to system.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-02-10 20:42:37 UTC
Batelle wrote:
by "below profitability" I assume you meant to crunch most of the belt, leaving only tiny little micro-asteroids behind?

Also, I'm not sure what a "full belt" is. I think it varies widely from system to system.
Yes, exactly.

A belt can be considered 'full' when it didn't get bigger after the last downtime. Belts are being regenerated at downtimes. I'm not exactly sure how much that is, tbh.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-02-10 20:45:50 UTC
Mine the asteroids +10% first and work your way down. Ignore the standard ore that has no bonus.
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-02-10 20:46:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Flashy 'Red' Bee
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Mine the asteroids +10% first and work your way down. Ignore the standard ore that has no bonus.
What?

I'm quite certain somebody of you brilliant miners can come up with actual numbers. :)
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-02-10 20:47:15 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Batelle wrote:
by "below profitability" I assume you meant to crunch most of the belt, leaving only tiny little micro-asteroids behind?

Also, I'm not sure what a "full belt" is. I think it varies widely from system to system.
Yes, exactly.

A belt can be considered 'full' when it didn't get bigger after the last downtime. Belts are being regenerated at downtimes. I'm not exactly sure how much that is, tbh.


It use to be that static asteroid belts only regenerated on Fridays and Mondays.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-02-10 20:48:20 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Mine the asteroids +10% first and work your way down. Ignore the standard ore that has no bonus.
What?


Ore Chart

See how you have +10 and +5% variants of an ore.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2014-02-10 20:49:26 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Miners! I choose you! *throws veldspar-ball*


-10 for Pokémon reference.

- additional 10 for making me reveal that I know what Pokémon is.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-02-10 20:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Flashy 'Red' Bee
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Mine the asteroids +10% first and work your way down. Ignore the standard ore that has no bonus.
What?


Ore Chart

See how you have +10 and +5% variants of an ore.
And still nobody tells me what these % stand for. Btw, that site was last updated in '07 ... how certain can you be that it's still accurate?


Okay... looks like the % is simply more veldspar compressed into the same amount of m³ asteroid.
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-02-10 20:50:27 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Miners! I choose you! *throws veldspar-ball*


-10 for Pokémon reference.

- additional 10 for making me reveal that I know what Pokémon is.

+100 for me revealing that you even know how to properly type it. With é. Compared to most others who wouldn't.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-02-10 20:52:20 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Mine the asteroids +10% first and work your way down. Ignore the standard ore that has no bonus.
What?


Ore Chart

See how you have +10 and +5% variants of an ore.
And still nobody tells me what these % stand for. Btw, that site was last updated in '07 ... how certain can you be that it's still accurate?


its still accurate, look up a couple of them in game. Dense Veldspar will say it gives +10% more trit then standard Veldspar for example.
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-02-10 20:54:33 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#14 - 2014-02-10 20:55:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Unsuccessful At Everything
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:

+100 for me revealing that you even know how to properly type it. With é. Compared to most others who wouldn't.


To be honest, the forums did it automatically.

One thing I forgot to add, Mining is much more profitable if purchase a Mining Permit and follow the rules listed at www.minerbumping.com. Its amazing how much more you can make profit wise when your ship doesn't have a Catalyst up its ***.

If you pay to play and dont be AFK, and tank your barge the right way, everything will be a-OK.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-02-10 20:55:40 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
its still accurate, look up a couple of them in game. Dense Veldspar will say it gives +10% more trit then standard Veldspar for example.
Okay, but how does that help me answer my question?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#16 - 2014-02-10 20:56:22 UTC
i have no idea what if any belts in hisec are at max size. However, you can use a scanner to estimate the total volume of ore in a given belt, and then divide that by a ballpark estimate of miner yield. Add some extra time for hauling/inefficiency and you should be good.

It requires work to get the answer though.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-02-10 20:56:55 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:

+100 for me revealing that you even know how to properly type it. With é. Compared to most others who wouldn't.


To be honest, the forums did it automatically.

One thing I forgot to add, Mining is much more profitable if purchase a Mining Permit and follow the rules listed at www.minerbumping.com. Its amazing how much more you can make profit wise when your ship doesn't have a Catalyst up its ***.

If you pay to play and do be AFK, everything will be a-OK.
Where there's nothing to mine, there are no gankers either.
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-02-10 20:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Flashy 'Red' Bee
Batelle wrote:
i have no idea what if any belts in hisec are at max size. However, you can use a scanner to estimate the total volume of ore in a given belt, and then divide that by a ballpark estimate of miner yield. Add some extra time for hauling/inefficiency and you should be good.

It requires work to get the answer though.
I am highly certain that there are lots of people out there who know their maths well enough to provide me reasonable guesstimates. :)
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#19 - 2014-02-10 20:59:55 UTC
The correct answer is "depends"
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#20 - 2014-02-10 21:00:42 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Where there's nothing to mine, there are no gankers either.


You keep on thinking that. Im not going to spoil the surprise.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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