Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I seem to recall that if you are mining and get bumped over and over, then move to a new system, get followed there and again bumped over and over, you can report it as harassment, even though you never got scrammed/attacked/damaged etc, but someone holding you in place at a gate by bumping, where you are actively trying to escape from, while he calls mates over to kill you, is all fine.

I reckon the problem is that CCP writes code that effects ships and physics and hisec mechanics, then players discover they can pull off "unexpected Tactic X" and CCP facepalms themselves thinking "now we will have to come up with something to say on this", then they flip a coin.

I don't mind that, I just wish we'd see a dev post something like "Its all good! Because TAILS!"

Logically, wouldn't you agree that an exploit is some sort of bug or mechanic that can be use or "Exploited" by an individual to gain a leg up on someone else? I hope so.

Then by that same definition bringing someone to counter-bump, or getting the bumper to move you in the right direction is a counter of said "exploit". It has now been redefined because the original "exploiter" is now being inhibited indefinitely, you can affect his outcome through different methods of input.

When cynos were able to be lit inside pos bubbles making captial jumps COMPLETELY 100% Safe. That was an exploit because there would be no risk involved moving a gigantic hunk of metal LYs across the galaxy.

I'm not trying to be a douche, i'm just trying to be logical.

Have to assume we're talking about miner X.

It was marked harassment because said bumper was following ONLY miner X and bumping them incessentaly regardless of where they went, they followed them, which would in turn be considered harassment because imagine someone following you around all day in real life pushing you. Logical harassment.

For that to apply in this situation, they would have to follow you bumping you from login, through stations AND stargates and ONLY you. Full cargo or empty. Simply to spite you with intent. At least that's how i would interpret it.

You're missing an important element, which is that an exploit is often a known mechanic being used in an unintended way in order to gain an advantage. Some of these, yes, we might fairly classify as "emergent gameplay" in the context of a sandbox. But just because we're in a sandbox that allows for emergent gameplay doesn't make every single known mechanic used in an unintended way part of that classification. There is this tendency in EVE for people to take this normative stance on any use of a mechanic, to default to the idea that it's all innately fairplay. I think many of us are calling that into question on this specific case.



Again, just because one can dream up a convoluted counter to freighter bumping doesn't excuse it. Those who dream up such solutions always seem to be in the convenient position of not having to carry them out. And when people don't follow this sage advice, they're accused of doing so merely because they're lazy or stupid (and not, you know, because it's a totally convoluted and unworkable solution). Funny how that works.

I don't like you, y u put wurds i nevar said?

When did i say anything is not likely to happen?

When did i say that Freighter bumping prevents anyone from flying solo? You can fly however you want. HOWEVER there are people out there who will look for lone wolfs and make their lives hell. There are ways to counter this. You're playing a MMO. What does the second letter stand for?

Just like in life if you take no precautions to prevent **** from happening it's not the other persons fault for your error. There are plenty of ways to avoid "23/7" bumping, the fact that you couldn't be assed to ask for help when you're moving your net worth is just not anyone elses fault or concern.

In my 600m orca if i'm moving 20m worth of **** because I'm too lazy to buy a FASTER indy ship It would be my fault if I got ganked at a gate because i thought I could just MWD pulse jump with no checks ahead. You're seriously making indy pilots who factors in the dangers of space look bad. And you should feel bad.

Also if someone is bumping you with a Damnnation, counter bump with an armageddon? Last i checked Command ships are smaller than battleships regardless of Tier lvl..

For the record, I just kind of look at the whole bumping mechanic and shake my head thinking "is there anything those EVE kids can't squeeze tears from" and then stop training freighters until I understand whats going on, but I would not go as far as yelling "Sploitz!!!" all over the place.

I'd rather hear about clever stories about how some player got convinced to deliver a full freighter of Trit to Amamake and then exploded, then "we just bumped him for 30 minutes while we waited for the fleet member to wake up, take a shower and get on to gank him".

I think they are both valid, but when I show non EVE players these stories, they look at me and say "and what about you??? are you evil like them??? begone foul demon!!!" ... and stuff like that.

The bulk of the problem then lies with the authorities dictating whether or not this is considered an exploit, We do have to remember that this is an inherently PVP based game and as unfair as it might sound, bumping someone to inconvenience them has already been proven to not be an exploit, within reason.

But isn't that the point of Eve? To think outside the (sand)box and come up with new ways to get **** done? The original counter to instant ganks of freighters were to web them to initiate warp faster, now individuals have figured out a way to counter that so the next step would be to counter their counter? And ahem, I've had my run in with bumpers, so if you don't mind, I'd like to imagine that the countermeasures i've taken are first hand experience. I'm not trying to say that my advice is 100% foolproof nor perfect, but doing something is much better than being bumped and then (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ <-Giving up.

Do you routinely use the countermeasures that you've described in order to escape bumpers? Needless to say, I find that hard to believe.

You have just singlehandedly explained why no computer application need ever be modified or updated.

Have escorts when I'm moving mine or others valuable ****? Yes, Yes i do. If i happen to be solo flying and someone takes interest in my ****? Yes, Yes i do.

It's not impossible to execute ANYTHING i've stated. Quite frankly you're acting as if everyone who flys freighters flys solo through gates, hits the warp button and prays.

Seriously, It's not that hard.

Jesus I should make a freight escort corp and charge people who feel like it's too much to get their **** from point a to b.

Regardless of what you want to believe I am not powerless in my situation regardless of what's happening. Adapt or get blapped.

edit:holy grammar fail batman.