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Jita locked out again.... this is getting worst.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-02-10 05:56:55 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Too Big to Fail Tax - there is a very good reason to go to Jita and that's prices. You can lose millions not selling in Jita, it has the most buyers so better competitive prices overall.



Gee, and after all the other posts and threads I've seen from you I thought you were smarter. Missed the point by a few light years.
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#42 - 2014-02-10 06:07:51 UTC
"This is getting worst". Aside from the butchery of the English language I doubt waiting 3 minutes on the gate spamming jump is the "worst" thing than can happen in EVE.

Anyways I think it is a good thing, by having a soft cap on the system this will incentivize people to go to other secondary hubs, like amarr or dodixie, and that I think should add some more content and style to the game. Trade routes, making the other hubs more price efficient, adding more opportunities for gankers (that gank ships between those routes), but at the same time less opportunities for jita station bears, diverse space and an expansive system. Having one centralized hub is convenient, but boring. Having four (or more) hubs is a little less convenient but much more fun.

Another good unintended consequence from limitations in the game itself.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-02-10 07:33:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Too Big to Fail Tax - there is a very good reason to go to Jita and that's prices. You can lose millions not selling in Jita, it has the most buyers so better competitive prices overall.



Gee, and after all the other posts and threads I've seen from you I thought you were smarter. Missed the point by a few light years.

Your post makes no sense. I can go to Rens like I did and post an item selling for 100m in Jita, but it won't sell period. I can likewise go to Dodixie and quick sell and get a list of -80% buy orders. I can go to Amarr and lose 100 million by selling 1 billion in stuff or go to Jita and sell it for the whole billion.

Likewise when I buy things, I can buy at a much higher price in the less populous hubs or go to Jita and get stuff at cheap prices. Which is why Jita is so popular.

When you come from null with 5 billion do you go to Rens, Hek, Dodixie, Amarr and get 5 billion or less or go to Jita and get 6 billion?

A tax on congested systems like Jita would make Jita less popular because you wouldn't have people chasing the extra billion.

Its why councils put parking meters with stupid prices in the city. You pay for congestion.

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Muestereate
Minions LLC
#44 - 2014-02-10 08:10:02 UTC
I'd go with the remote trade skills If I felt I needed to be there and while your at it, collateralized courier contracts to eliminate undock ganks and localized war dec threats. Unless your planning on building and flying a ship out of there.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#45 - 2014-02-10 08:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Explorer
Spammers in Jita local don't contribute to the load that much since chat is on its own nodes. The load in Jita primarily stems from the traffic to and from the system, i.e., the transport, pilots jumping in and out of the system and docking/undocking. A fair amount of processing goes into delivering the market transactions (but the market itself is on another node). Then there is always some pew-pew to process.

Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots. Jita has a dedicated node to itself, one of the fleet fight nodes. Next are Amarr, Dodixie, and Rens. We don't cap them but dedicate Amarr on regular hardware.

Top stations are:

Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy
Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant
Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2014-02-10 08:43:01 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097&find=unread

here's your solution to Jita woes

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Stalker ofeveryone
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-02-10 08:44:58 UTC
You need to pay the toll, mate. Didn't you get the mail?
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-02-10 08:49:08 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots

Why 2175 ?

Obviously your answer will be something like "experience shows that if we cap at 2175 then x won't happen", but I'm curious what the x is.
Garia666
CyberShield Inc
HYDRA RELOADED
#49 - 2014-02-10 08:49:36 UTC
only issue i see with this is that if your in war. you dont know before hand that your are able to jump in the system or not.

So if you cannot enter you chances are high that you get ganked.

CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#50 - 2014-02-10 08:51:06 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Jita is by far the largest market hub in EVE but we cap it at 2175 pilots

Why 2175 ?

Obviously your answer will be something like "experience shows that if we cap at 2175 then x won't happen", but I'm curious what the x is.
x = Time Dilation will be at 100% most of the time, stay between 80-100% nearly all of the time, and only very rarely go below 80%.

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Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2014-02-10 08:53:38 UTC
So theres no way the node can be overloaded permanently to like 4000 chars?

Being a bit thick here but what is the limit on one system?

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#52 - 2014-02-10 09:08:15 UTC
Jove Death wrote:
So theres no way the node can be overloaded permanently to like 4000 chars?

Being a bit thick here but what is the limit on one system?
There is no hard limit, a node will simply have a hard time keeping up with processing as the number of pilots grows and as they do more things.

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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#53 - 2014-02-10 09:57:08 UTC
I don't get it, why are players not using the remote trading skills next door to Jita instead when this happens? Or perhaps timing moving stock/ships outside of sunday?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#54 - 2014-02-10 10:12:47 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
I don't get it, why are players not using the remote trading skills next door to Jita instead when this happens? Or perhaps timing moving stock/ships outside of sunday?



My guess is: Because station trade scams require you being in the same station as the mark.

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#55 - 2014-02-10 10:27:36 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
I don't get it, why are players not using the remote trading skills next door to Jita instead when this happens? Or perhaps timing moving stock/ships outside of sunday?



Because remote asset management is weak at best and remote trading is only any good for adjusting prices while stuck in New Caldari. If CCP adds the ability to remote-work with proper UI on another station's assets then that might be different.
Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#56 - 2014-02-10 10:38:29 UTC
I hear Eve has over 5000 systems, if only a few of them were trade hubs too... Oh wait! There ARE other trade hubs.

Quit whining and go play another game that isnt too taxing on you're brain.
Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#57 - 2014-02-10 10:42:56 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Jove Death wrote:
So theres no way the node can be overloaded permanently to like 4000 chars?

Being a bit thick here but what is the limit on one system?
There is no hard limit, a node will simply have a hard time keeping up with processing as the number of pilots grows and as they do more things.


So with the current size of battles that are happening in 0.0 where you have to implement Tidi to make it playable at all, and the fact that Jita is frequently being capped to save the node dying. Would you conclude that it is logical to assume that the current hardware that Eve is run on is insufficient for it's intended purpose going forward?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-02-10 11:08:24 UTC

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Irishdab Cadelanne wrote:
Since it was locked I could not add my constructive comment about kicking out the bot spam.


If you think your 'constructive comment' has not been suggested before, then you haven't read the thread or even used the search function. This is redundant.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#59 - 2014-02-10 11:23:08 UTC
Samoth Egnoled wrote:
So with the current size of battles that are happening in 0.0 where you have to implement Tidi to make it playable at all, and the fact that Jita is frequently being capped to save the node dying. Would you conclude that it is logical to assume that the current hardware that Eve is run on is insufficient for it's intended purpose going forward?

With the odd rare event and one out of 7,500 systems being the only exceptions to the rule that the game chugs along quite nicely, it rather seems logical to assume that the current hardware is sufficient.
RAW23
#60 - 2014-02-10 11:42:44 UTC
Dorian Wylde wrote:



This, for the love of god. Jita is not the only trade hub. Prices in dodixie and amarr are usually exactly the same, and even when not, we're talking less than 100k for most things. In a game where actual value is measured in millions, you have no one to blame but yourself if you're wasting time going to jita for anything.


This shows a critical misunderstanding of the eve economy. Trade volumes in Jita are far, far higher than they are anywhere else in New Eden and it is simply not the case that you can do all the same things in all the other trade hubs. There are a lot of trading activities that can only be carried out in Jita and those who are involved in these activities can't just 'go elsewhere'.

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