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Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#81 - 2014-02-10 04:20:07 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

I would remind you we remain and that a good bit of Caldari Prime remains under Federal authority.

Don't worry, we are working to remove this little "problem", and, I hope, soon our Homeworld will be cleaned completely from gallentean filth.


James Syagrius wrote:

But statements like that seem to dismiss the Federal citizens who have for generations made Caldari Prime their home.

Regardless of how the got there, they are there now and have as much right to call it home as Caldari born light years away.

Declarative statements like yours make many wonder and worry.

They don't have any "right" to be there. They are occupants. They are infestation. They are stain on both our homeworld and our reputation.
And they have to be dismissed not by words, but with purification by fire.


There will be a day when either you wise up and hate the ugly bigot you see in the mirror, forcing you to change, or you will turn to ash and dust to be gone forever.

Either way, I will celebrate when the Diana Kim we know is no longer with us.

-Eran
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#82 - 2014-02-10 07:28:13 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:

There will be a day when either you wise up and hate the ugly bigot you see in the mirror, forcing you to change, or you will turn to ash and dust to be gone forever.

Either way, I will celebrate when the Diana Kim we know is no longer with us.

-Eran

I have only one thing left to say to you:
Do it yourself, or shut up, gallentean lover.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#83 - 2014-02-10 07:52:45 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

I would remind you we remain and that a good bit of Caldari Prime remains under Federal authority.

Don't worry, we are working to remove this little "problem", and, I hope, soon our Homeworld will be cleaned completely from gallentean filth.


James Syagrius wrote:

But statements like that seem to dismiss the Federal citizens who have for generations made Caldari Prime their home.

Regardless of how the got there, they are there now and have as much right to call it home as Caldari born light years away.

Declarative statements like yours make many wonder and worry.

They don't have any "right" to be there. They are occupants. They are infestation. They are stain on both our homeworld and our reputation.
And they have to be dismissed not by words, but with purification by fire.



Attempts at genocide only lead to retaliation, which lead to more retaliations, and so on until everything ends in fire.

But maybe you are just the kind of psychopath who wants to see the universe burn.

*shrug*

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#84 - 2014-02-10 08:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
I'm actually rather indifferent to many Gallente. But nevertheless, while I would love to make it happen, unfortunately it is your brain that is not allowing change to come. It has absolutely nothing to do with me or anyone else. As for the ash and dust part, that is just a phase of life.

-Eran
Jace Sarice
#85 - 2014-02-10 14:39:22 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
This is hard to talk about - I'm not good with words at all :) My apologies. This would be far easier in Napanii.

Kraid - haan: The Achurans can be Caldari as well in my opinion - I should hope so at the very least! Most Achurans are happy to be Achuran instead of being Caldari, however - and that's completely fine.

Mr Mintor, sir: I hope not! Most of my friends here believe that the winds follow us, but there is that concern. Perhaps that can help illuminate why we so desperately want our home back.

Mr Syagrius, sir: They don't have to believe themselves to be Caldari, either racially or culturally. They can still be Federal Gallente. The fact that they can cut themselves a home out of the rock and ice is proof enough. The cold winds don't care what name you call yourself, they only care to see whether you can survive the winter.


Your interpretations of our culture and tradition is . . . different. You seem to be implying an interchangeability between cold winds, winter, and Cold Wind - all without reference to ancestors.

I would be interested in having a more in-depth discussion with you about this in a less public place to better understand how you came to understand our culture and traditions this way.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2014-02-10 15:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
I do not believe in Cold Wind as a literal sentient being, but rather as an allegorical construct - an intuition pump given a name and personality. I do not believe that my ancestors live on in anything more than a metaphorical way. But I like to think I'm as Caldari as they make 'em.

Being Caldari is a surprisingly nebulous concept when you dig down into it. For the Minmatar it's relatively easy - you're Matari if you belong to one of the Tribes. "Minmatar" is in that sense purely a genetic term, and culturally... well, I've met all sorts who are equally Minmatar, from Mikramurkans who favour the quiet spirituality of their ancestral life, to transhumanists with some frankly very strange notions about body heritage, and all points in between.

"Amarr" is both a genetic and a religious term. You're an Amarrian if you belong to a specific bloodline, and a practitioner of Amarr if you agree with the core tenets of at least one orthodox sect of the Amarr faith, as vetted by the Theology Council.


"Gallente" is a genetic and ideological term. You're a Gallentean if your ancestry hails from the more verdant of the two temperate worlds in Luminaire, and a Gallente if you subscribe in a broad sense to the ideals of Federation and Democracy.

but Caldari? I don't think I can adequately describe what the word "Caldari" refers to, I just know that I've always been one. I'm Caldari because I'm a Civire, Caldari because I practice a variant of Wayism, Caldari because I was born and raised in a megacorporate environment, Caldari because I believe in meritocracy and capitalist collectivism, Caldari because I'm a ruthless opportunity, Caldari because I'm a Liberal, Caldari because I have a Practical streak, Caldari because I follow the leadership of the CEP, Caldari because I get angry over Home, Caldari because I can metabolize Kresh, Caldari because I feel a sense of Heiian.... I'm Caldari as much because I call myself Caldari as for any other reason, and I'm Caldari because other Caldari and jaijiin alike agree that I am.

I'm Caldari because I know that I'm Caldari, and to hell with anyone who disagrees. And I think that's true for most everyone who identifies as Caldari, Civire, Achuran, Deteis, Gallentean, Sebiestor, Ni-Kunni, whatever - if you know in your bones that you're Caldari, then you are.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Jace Sarice
#87 - 2014-02-10 15:48:33 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
I do not believe in Cold Wind as a literal sentient being, but rather as an allegorical construct - an intuition pump given a name and personality. I do not believe that my ancestors live on in anything more than a metaphorical way. But I like to think I'm as Caldari as they make 'em.

Being Caldari is a surprisingly nebulous concept when you dig down into it. For the Minmatar it's relatively easy - you're Matari if you belong to one of the Tribes. "Minmatar" is in that sense purely a genetic term, and culturally... well, I've met all sorts who are equally Minmatar, from Mikramurkans who favour the quiet spirituality of their ancestral life, to transhumanists with some frankly very strange notions about body heritage, and all points in between.

"Amarr" is both a genetic and a religious term. You're an Amarrian if you belong to a specific bloodline, and a practitioner of Amarr if you agree with the core tenets of at least one orthodox sect of the Amarr faith, as vetted by the Theology Council.


"Gallente" is a genetic and ideological term. You're a Gallentean if your ancestry hails from the more verdant of the two temperate worlds in Luminaire, and a Gallente if you subscribe in a broad sense to the ideals of Federation and Democracy.

but Caldari? I don't think I can adequately describe what the word "Caldari" refers to, I just know that I've always been one. I'm Caldari because I'm a Civire, Caldari because I practice a variant of Wayism, Caldari because I was born and raised in a megacorporate environment, Caldari because I believe in meritocracy and capitalist collectivism, Caldari because I'm a ruthless opportunity, Caldari because I'm a Liberal, Caldari because I have a Practical streak, Caldari because I follow the leadership of the CEP, Caldari because I get angry over Home, Caldari because I can metabolize Kresh, Caldari because I feel a sense of Heiian.... I'm Caldari as much because I call myself Caldari as for any other reason, and I'm Caldari because other Caldari and jaijiin alike agree that I am.

I'm Caldari because I know that I'm Caldari, and to hell with anyone who disagrees. And I think that's true for most everyone who identifies as Caldari, Civire, Achuran, Deteis, Gallentean, Sebiestor, Ni-Kunni, whatever - if you know in your bones that you're Caldari, then you are.


Despite our differing views of the Way and tradition, you largely had me with you until the last paragraph. One's own feeling of being Caldari is not the deciding factor - no matter how trenchant and vital that sense of who you are is, it is not what makes someone Caldari. Gallentean youth that attempt to turn the Way into a fad may very well convince themselves of profound feeling and internal attachment, but this does not make them Caldari.

As you said, it is difficult to describe what it means to be Caldari - but that does not mean it cannot be described what or who is not Caldari from time to time.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-02-10 15:55:24 UTC
You may well be right. Better minds than I have devoted a lot of ink and electrons to the subject over the centuries, I don't expect to have cracked the puzzle in one hastily-assembled forum post.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#89 - 2014-02-10 16:19:54 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
Your interpretations of our culture and tradition is . . . different. You seem to be implying an interchangeability between cold winds, winter, and Cold Wind - all without reference to ancestors.

I would be interested in having a more in-depth discussion with you about this in a less public place to better understand how you came to understand our culture and traditions this way.

I'm not sure if there is a difference between a cold wind and a Cold Wind, sir. And there are certainly a lot of both during the winter. If there are any differences, I think they're largely academic. They all have something to teach us.

Ancestors are like winds, too. They also have lessons to teach us, and can arrive when we don't expect them to. They don't have to happen at the same time, though, of course.

I'm happy to talk with you about it whenever you'd like :) I will apologize in advance for my poor interpretation of the Way.
Jace Sarice
#90 - 2014-02-10 17:13:57 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
[quote=Jace Sarice]
I'm happy to talk with you about it whenever you'd like :) I will apologize in advance for my poor interpretation of the Way.


Sounds good. Someone will contact you soon.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#91 - 2014-02-10 18:34:06 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:

There will be a day when either you wise up and hate the ugly bigot you see in the mirror, forcing you to change, or you will turn to ash and dust to be gone forever.

Either way, I will celebrate when the Diana Kim we know is no longer with us.

-Eran

I have only one thing left to say to you:
Do it yourself, or shut up, gallentean lover.

What's wrong with loving Gallenteans? We are very lovable... At least, I am.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#92 - 2014-02-10 20:47:20 UTC
Arkady Vachon wrote:

Attempts at genocide only lead to retaliation, which lead to more retaliations, and so on until everything ends in fire.

Luckily, or unluckily, they are only occupants and didn't try genocide yet. If they will start, if will be a perfect chance for CEP to intervene and kick them out from our planet.
Nevertheless, we still remember their atrocities they committed by defiling our memorials. And they will pay for that. Now, since the planet is more open and more than the half of it is under our control, it is way easier to get weapons and resources there, so guerrilla, Dragonaurs and other patriotic cells could start working towards complete liberation of the planet once again.

Arkady Vachon wrote:

But maybe you are just the kind of psychopath who wants to see the universe burn.

Seems like primitive groundless insults is everything that left for you to do...
typical gallentean approach.
*sigh*

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jeremiah Cole
Dark Matter.
#93 - 2014-02-10 21:19:39 UTC
Even if we could, exterminating the Gallente would do nothing but upset a vital balance in the cluster, just as ridding the universe of the Amarrians, Minmatar, or even us Caldari would. It is counter productive and a backwards frame of mind, in any case.

Perhaps Master Kuvake had the right idea.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-02-10 21:54:06 UTC
Jeremiah Cole wrote:
Even if we could, exterminating the Gallente would do nothing but upset a vital balance in the cluster, just as ridding the universe of the Amarrians, Minmatar, or even us Caldari would. It is counter productive and a backwards frame of mind, in any case.

Perhaps Master Kuvake had the right idea.

If you are interested in extermination options, exterminating exactly Sansha would be best idea.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#95 - 2014-02-11 02:23:53 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:


Luckily, or unluckily, they are only occupants and didn't try genocide yet. If they will start, if will be a perfect chance for CEP to intervene and kick them out from our planet.
Nevertheless, we still remember their atrocities they committed by defiling our memorials. And they will pay for that. Now, since the planet is more open and more than the half of it is under our control, it is way easier to get weapons and resources there, so guerrilla, Dragonaurs and other patriotic cells could start working towards complete liberation of the planet once again.


The wonders of delusional fantasists will never cease to amaze. Is possessing such a vivid imagination a product of a lack of education, deliberate ignorance, or simply because a half-breed mongrel dog knows nothing more than how to bark?

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#96 - 2014-02-11 02:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


Luckily, or unluckily, they are only occupants and didn't try genocide yet. If they will start, if will be a perfect chance for CEP to intervene and kick them out from our planet.
Nevertheless, we still remember their atrocities they committed by defiling our memorials. And they will pay for that. Now, since the planet is more open and more than the half of it is under our control, it is way easier to get weapons and resources there, so guerrilla, Dragonaurs and other patriotic cells could start working towards complete liberation of the planet once again.


The wonders of delusional fantasists will never cease to amaze. Is possessing such a vivid imagination a product of a lack of education, deliberate ignorance, or simply because a half-breed mongrel dog knows nothing more than how to bark?


Hypotheses: Kimmy had a Gallente boyfriend who dumped her in a horrible and unseemly manner and is now bitter and resentful towards all of us because she can't cope with the fact he left her.

Could use a peer review, but that's all I can come up to explain the unbridled distain she displays.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#97 - 2014-02-11 02:48:59 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Diana Kim wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

I would remind you we remain and that a good bit of Caldari Prime remains under Federal authority.


Don't worry, we are working to remove this little "problem", and, I hope, soon our Homeworld will be cleaned completely from gallentean filth.
James Syagrius wrote:
But statements like that seem to dismiss the Federal citizens who have for generations made Caldari Prime their home.

Regardless of how the got there, they are there now and have as much right to call it home as Caldari born light years away.

Declarative statements like yours make many wonder and worry.


They don't have any "right" to be there. They are occupants. They are infestation. They are stain on both our homeworld and our reputation.

And they have to be dismissed not by words, but with purification by fire.

Mademoiselle Kim.

I don’t think I have been addressed by you directly before.

If you have I don’t remember it.

I thank you for sharing your opinions and intentions.

Knowing some within the State desire our utter destruction tends to clarify many things.

Desiring to elevate the conversation beyond the regular recriminations I will answer your relevant points in turn.

…..

Well I think that about does it.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#98 - 2014-02-11 03:03:26 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:

Knowing some within the State desire our utter destruction tends to clarify many things.


Woah, hey. Don't lump her in with us, alright?

Katrina Oniseki
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#99 - 2014-02-11 03:13:03 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:

Knowing some within the State desire our utter destruction tends to clarify many things.


Woah, hey. Don't lump her in with us, alright?

Shame you can't convince her to reign herself in a bit, she would make for an adorable poster-girl for the caldari military.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#100 - 2014-02-11 03:59:57 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


Luckily, or unluckily, they are only occupants and didn't try genocide yet. If they will start, if will be a perfect chance for CEP to intervene and kick them out from our planet.
Nevertheless, we still remember their atrocities they committed by defiling our memorials. And they will pay for that. Now, since the planet is more open and more than the half of it is under our control, it is way easier to get weapons and resources there, so guerrilla, Dragonaurs and other patriotic cells could start working towards complete liberation of the planet once again.


The wonders of delusional fantasists will never cease to amaze. Is possessing such a vivid imagination a product of a lack of education, deliberate ignorance, or simply because a half-breed mongrel dog knows nothing more than how to bark?

Miss, if I will ever need an opinion of an incompetent drunkard, who stains honor of Caldari uniform, I will leave you a notification.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.