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[NEWS] Caldari Prime salvage plans announced
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Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#61 - 2014-02-09 20:02:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
Lord, you are dense, Ms. Kim.

-Eran
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#62 - 2014-02-09 22:04:03 UTC
Ramius Decimus wrote:
Odd that there is no mention of materials going back to the Caldari Navy whence they originated. Again, Ishukone has proven through action their contradiction in philosophy and ideology towards the betterment of the State.

I never felt comfortable seeing how close Ishukone snuggled up to the Federation, but after the many years of this protracted Great War, I feel almost sick to my guts each time I witness their candor and collaboration with our enemy. Diplomacy is understandable but not when it works in the favor of the opposition.

Providence Guard no longer stands by Heth's madness-warped ideologies, however, we still stand apart from Ishukone.

Mr. Decimus.

It is strange then that Ishukone's tactics have demonstrated lasting and beneficial results to the States' cause in relation to Caldari Prime.

If sustainable results are your goal you might consider emulating their policies.

As to the salvage.

While I haven't heard of any restrictions placed on the use of salvaged materials I would imagine Ishukone is cognoscente of the ramifications should debris recovered from Federally controlled districts be returned to he State for military purposes.

​While no friend of any State organization I can at least recognize a rational and perhaps honorable broker when I see one. ​

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#63 - 2014-02-09 22:17:14 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
As for the war I fail to see why furthering Heth's agenda makes anyone a bad group, and when your home planet is on FIRE the peace process helps the Caldari people more than throwing more meat at the grinder. Where were the patriots with aid supplies when people were dying on the ground?

I can't speak for all Patriots, but I was in orbit of Home in Hospital Ship LDMT Utuusi as part of a general aid mission, delivering material, manpower, and medical expertise.

The homeworld is neither Liberal, nor Patriot, nor Practical. It is Caldari.


I am a Patriot. I flew support for the Ishukone relief freighter convoy under the command of Oniseki-haani. I collected and donated relief supplies to the effort on the planet. Immediately after I had secured from combat operations I joined in the immediate evacuation and relief effort, ferrying dropships from State space to the planet's surface, providing immediate first-response care and triage and carrying State Citizens and survivors from the battle back to State space.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#64 - 2014-02-09 22:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Scherezad wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
As for the war I fail to see why furthering Heth's agenda makes anyone a bad group, and when your home planet is on FIRE the peace process helps the Caldari people more than throwing more meat at the grinder. Where were the patriots with aid supplies when people were dying on the ground?

I can't speak for all Patriots, but I was in orbit of Home in Hospital Ship LDMT Utuusi as part of a general aid mission, delivering material, manpower, and medical expertise.

The homeworld is neither Liberal, nor Patriot, nor Practical. It is Caldari.

Not all of it.

I would remind you we remain and that a good bit of Caldari Prime remains under Federal authority.

Now I know you are an honorable person Ma'dame Scherezad and didn't mean any harm by your statement.

And I myself am not trying to be confrontational.

But statements like that seem to dismiss the Federal citizens who have for generations made Caldari Prime their home.

Regardless of how the got there, they are there now and have as much right to call it home as Caldari born light years away.

Declarative statements like yours make many wonder and worry.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#65 - 2014-02-10 00:22:27 UTC
As usual, no answers from anyone making the most noise. Just more of the same. Let me know if this conversation manages to break from it's usual pattern.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#66 - 2014-02-10 01:46:27 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
The homeworld is neither Liberal, nor Patriot, nor Practical. It is Caldari.

Not all of it.

I would remind you we remain and that a good bit of Caldari Prime remains under Federal authority.

Now I know you are an honorable person Ma'dame Scherezad and didn't mean any harm by your statement.

And I myself am not trying to be confrontational.

But statements like that seem to dismiss the Federal citizens who have for generations made Caldari Prime their home.

Regardless of how the got there, they are there now and have as much right to call it home as Caldari born light years away.

Declarative statements like yours make many wonder and worry.

I think something may have been lost in the translation, sir. Those areas under Federal jurisdiction are as Caldari as those beneath a corporate flag. Being Caldari is not a State, nor a Federation, nor a nation. It is a state of being. The homeworld kills those who it doesn't accept.

I doubt that my opinion will be popular among my companions here, but I think it better to let the storm decide.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#67 - 2014-02-10 01:59:03 UTC
Perhaps, perhaps not.
If they want to consider themselves as not being Caldari but rather being Gallente, who am I to argue?
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#68 - 2014-02-10 02:12:38 UTC
A.....refreashing...point of view Scherezad-hanni.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#69 - 2014-02-10 02:44:54 UTC
Scherezad wrote:

I doubt that my opinion will be popular among my companions here, but I think it better to let the storm decide.

I cannot deny that I find your “inclusion” surprising.

For the sake of clarity I want to make sure I understand you.

When you say; “Being a Caldari is not a State, nor a Federation, nor a nation. It is a state of being.” what do you mean?

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#70 - 2014-02-10 02:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Scherezad
What makes a Caldari a Caldari is that they are shaped by the winds of the homeworld. It has little to do with nationality. A Gallente can be as moved by the homeworld as any Deteis or Civire.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#71 - 2014-02-10 03:05:12 UTC
If one never goes to the homeworld, is one less Caldari?

-Eran
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#72 - 2014-02-10 03:36:19 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
What makes a Caldari a Caldari is that they are shaped by the winds of the homeworld. It has little to do with nationality. A Gallente can be as moved by the homeworld as any Deteis or Civire.

I can’t deny that this is so, and I find your tolerant inclusiveness refreshing.

But I would imagine there are many Gallente who live on Caldari Prime that do not consider themselves “Caldari” racially or culturally.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#73 - 2014-02-10 03:38:16 UTC
and what of the Achura?
They are not shaped by the winds of Caldari Prime but are considered Caldari.

Being Caldari isn't so one dimensional as much as some would like to fit people into neat classifications.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#74 - 2014-02-10 03:44:39 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
If one never goes to the homeworld, is one less Caldari?

-Eran


Ask me that to my face. I say this not to threaten you, but just so you know my point of view succinctly.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#75 - 2014-02-10 03:48:04 UTC
This is hard to talk about - I'm not good with words at all :) My apologies. This would be far easier in Napanii.

Kraid - haan: The Achurans can be Caldari as well in my opinion - I should hope so at the very least! Most Achurans are happy to be Achuran instead of being Caldari, however - and that's completely fine.

Mr Mintor, sir: I hope not! Most of my friends here believe that the winds follow us, but there is that concern. Perhaps that can help illuminate why we so desperately want our home back.

Mr Syagrius, sir: They don't have to believe themselves to be Caldari, either racially or culturally. They can still be Federal Gallente. The fact that they can cut themselves a home out of the rock and ice is proof enough. The cold winds don't care what name you call yourself, they only care to see whether you can survive the winter.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#76 - 2014-02-10 03:51:16 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
If one never goes to the homeworld, is one less Caldari?

-Eran


Ask me that to my face. I say this not to threaten you, but just so you know my point of view succinctly.


Well the question was really directed at Ms. Scherezad since she's the one who made that comment. I guess another opinion would do no harm, though. I'll contact you soon.

-Eran
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#77 - 2014-02-10 03:52:03 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Lord, you are dense, Ms. Kim.

-Eran

I am neither lord, nor dense, Mr. Minor, I am a simple soldier.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#78 - 2014-02-10 03:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
My point is that, as important as Caldari Prime is to Caldari, it isn't the only facet of our being.

Diana Kim wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Lord, you are dense, Ms. Kim.

-Eran

I am neither lord, nor dense, Mr. Minor, I am a simple soldier.

A good soldier distinguishes between civilians and other soldiers and understands the nature of their opponent and who the enemy really is.

The enemy is the Federation, not every Gallente that ever lived, and extermination is a terrible goal both for it's amorality and it's infeasibility.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#79 - 2014-02-10 03:58:09 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:

I would remind you we remain and that a good bit of Caldari Prime remains under Federal authority.

Don't worry, we are working to remove this little "problem", and, I hope, soon our Homeworld will be cleaned completely from gallentean filth.


James Syagrius wrote:

But statements like that seem to dismiss the Federal citizens who have for generations made Caldari Prime their home.

Regardless of how the got there, they are there now and have as much right to call it home as Caldari born light years away.

Declarative statements like yours make many wonder and worry.

They don't have any "right" to be there. They are occupants. They are infestation. They are stain on both our homeworld and our reputation.
And they have to be dismissed not by words, but with purification by fire.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#80 - 2014-02-10 04:13:50 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
This is hard to talk about - I'm not good with words at all :) My apologies. This would be far easier in Napanii.

Kraid - haan: The Achurans can be Caldari as well in my opinion - I should hope so at the very least! Most Achurans are happy to be Achuran instead of being Caldari, however - and that's completely fine.

Mr Mintor, sir: I hope not! Most of my friends here believe that the winds follow us, but there is that concern. Perhaps that can help illuminate why we so desperately want our home back.

Mr Syagrius, sir: They don't have to believe themselves to be Caldari, either racially or culturally. They can still be Federal Gallente. The fact that they can cut themselves a home out of the rock and ice is proof enough. The cold winds don't care what name you call yourself, they only care to see whether you can survive the winter.


Sounds like a difference of perspectives. I'm not sure how those Gallente would feel knowing you label them Caldari but I guess you'd have to ask them. Oh well.

-Eran