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Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#421 - 2014-02-09 01:09:18 UTC
Dem paragraphs


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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#422 - 2014-02-09 09:03:08 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
EDIT: People also seem to be locked into this Isk/per hour thing, the thing is that makes people very vulnerable, when they made the changes with drone damage modules, I noticed people switching to drone carriers, however while they have great DPS, they so much easier to catch and a poor tank, so your ISK/per hour should also take into account the greater risk of losing your ship and of course the replacement cost, I noted quite a lot of people who ratted like crazy, to replace lost ratting ships, I used Fighters and was aligned and never lost a carrier, my ISK/per hour was less but I did not need to repalce a carrier every week. And this is what we mean by being chill, we don't pay rent to fund other peoples ships, we are not fixated on ISK/hour, we make ISK for ourselves and we control the risk. My philosophy is simply to be difficult to kill above anything else!


The ISK/hr obsession and the "Killboard stats" obsession - a result of having too may min-maxers about, which is a common infestation in MMOs.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#423 - 2014-02-09 11:07:13 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
EDIT: People also seem to be locked into this Isk/per hour thing, the thing is that makes people very vulnerable, when they made the changes with drone damage modules, I noticed people switching to drone carriers, however while they have great DPS, they so much easier to catch and a poor tank, so your ISK/per hour should also take into account the greater risk of losing your ship and of course the replacement cost, I noted quite a lot of people who ratted like crazy, to replace lost ratting ships, I used Fighters and was aligned and never lost a carrier, my ISK/per hour was less but I did not need to repalce a carrier every week. And this is what we mean by being chill, we don't pay rent to fund other peoples ships, we are not fixated on ISK/hour, we make ISK for ourselves and we control the risk. My philosophy is simply to be difficult to kill above anything else!


The ISK/hr obsession and the "Killboard stats" obsession - a result of having too may min-maxers about, which is a common infestation in MMOs.



Its a marriage made in Eve, people who are conditioned to put ISK per hour over common sense and survival feeding easy expensive kills to KB fanatics who enjoy the fruits of this conditioning.

I think the Hub Zero motto should be:

Don't be a turd and follow the herd
instead be a hero at Hub Zero

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#424 - 2014-02-09 12:04:42 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
But in any case lets look at you, hmmmm, no kills and lots of cyno ship losses, so in reality we have someone criticizing and talking about leadership who is too pathetic to post with his main, so seriously how can anyone take you seriously when you post with a cyno alt.


Some dingbats go to killboards to try to run down your credibility. Then they find you are a forum alt and get extremely butthurt and demand you poast with your main, invoking e-honore.
So dem KB stats are useful sometimes aren't they?
Hypocrisy is a refined pleasure.









Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#425 - 2014-02-09 13:07:18 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
But in any case lets look at you, hmmmm, no kills and lots of cyno ship losses, so in reality we have someone criticizing and talking about leadership who is too pathetic to post with his main, so seriously how can anyone take you seriously when you post with a cyno alt.


Some dingbats go to killboards to try to run down your credibility. Then they find you are a forum alt and get extremely butthurt and demand you poast with your main, invoking e-honore.
So dem KB stats are useful sometimes aren't they?
Hypocrisy is a refined pleasure.



Post with your main so we can see if your words have any value, that is the request, you talk about leadership, you talk about strategy and yet all we can do to assess whether your comments have any worth is that you are a cyno alt. The only hypocrisy is yours. Its not about KB's, its not about some thing you have raised called e-honor, its all about whether anyone can take what you say as having any validity.

Post with your main or shut up!

Which is all at this point that I will reply to you with!


When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#426 - 2014-02-09 13:25:30 UTC
Yeah but no. You can tell i know what i'm talking about. You just want to invalidate me somehow and shut down communication.
Just quietly, the main's KB is pretty good, but it's not about that is it?
Confirming this most mundane effort to drag inexperienced wallets to null as a captive market is mundane.
Can't wait to see who the amazing eve player is, keep talking like a Vulcan bro, it doesn't make you sound pompous or obnoxious at all.





Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#427 - 2014-02-09 13:56:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Dracvlad wrote:
Post with your main so we can see if your words have any value, that is the request, you talk about leadership, you talk about strategy and yet all we can do to assess whether your comments have any worth is that you are a cyno alt. The only hypocrisy is yours. Its not about KB's, its not about some thing you have raised called e-honor, its all about whether anyone can take what you say as having any validity.

Assessing an argument based on its own merits rather than the mouth it is spoken from... what a new & strange concept.

/signed
530.099 SP

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#428 - 2014-02-09 14:16:50 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Yeah but no. You can tell i know what i'm talking about. You just want to invalidate me somehow and shut down communication.
Just quietly, the main's KB is pretty good, but it's not about that is it?
Confirming this most mundane effort to drag inexperienced wallets to null as a captive market is mundane.
Can't wait to see who the amazing eve player is, keep talking like a Vulcan bro, it doesn't make you sound pompous or obnoxious at all.



Post with your main or shut up!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#429 - 2014-02-09 14:25:47 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Post with your main so we can see if your words have any value, that is the request, you talk about leadership, you talk about strategy and yet all we can do to assess whether your comments have any worth is that you are a cyno alt. The only hypocrisy is yours. Its not about KB's, its not about some thing you have raised called e-honor, its all about whether anyone can take what you say as having any validity.

Assessing an argument based on its own merits rather than the mouth it is spoken from... what a new & strange concept.

/signed
530.099 SP


I have addressed his arguments where he made them, but in terms of his criticism, most notably on leadership, we have the words of a cyno alt. How can anyone in their right mind take the word of a cyno alt whose main may be nothing more than a yes man in one of the main alliances, who has never created anything in Eve and knows nothing of the issues facing a small alliance. Well I have been in leadership of an alliance and run my own rather successful corp, and until I see something to take his so called advice as being anything but hot air and trolling I will keep calling him out with "post with your main."

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Obunagawe
#430 - 2014-02-09 14:27:45 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Post with your main so we can see if your words have any value, that is the request, you talk about leadership, you talk about strategy and yet all we can do to assess whether your comments have any worth is that you are a cyno alt. The only hypocrisy is yours. Its not about KB's, its not about some thing you have raised called e-honor, its all about whether anyone can take what you say as having any validity.

Assessing an argument based on its own merits rather than the mouth it is spoken from... what a new & strange concept.

/signed
530.099 SP


/agree
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#431 - 2014-02-09 14:38:19 UTC
Obunagawe wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Post with your main so we can see if your words have any value, that is the request, you talk about leadership, you talk about strategy and yet all we can do to assess whether your comments have any worth is that you are a cyno alt. The only hypocrisy is yours. Its not about KB's, its not about some thing you have raised called e-honor, its all about whether anyone can take what you say as having any validity.

Assessing an argument based on its own merits rather than the mouth it is spoken from... what a new & strange concept.

/signed
530.099 SP


/agree


I have addressed his arguments where he made them, but in terms of his criticism, most notably on leadership, we have the words of a cyno alt. How can anyone in their right mind take the word of a cyno alt whose main may be nothing more than a yes man in one of the main alliances, who has never created anything in Eve and knows nothing of the issues facing a small alliance. Well I have been in leadership of an alliance and run my own rather successful corp, and until I see something to take his so called advice as being anything but hot air and trolling I will keep calling him out with "post with your main."

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Drakesire
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#432 - 2014-02-09 14:41:14 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Post with your main so we can see if your words have any value, that is the request, you talk about leadership, you talk about strategy and yet all we can do to assess whether your comments have any worth is that you are a cyno alt. The only hypocrisy is yours. Its not about KB's, its not about some thing you have raised called e-honor, its all about whether anyone can take what you say as having any validity.

Assessing an argument based on its own merits rather than the mouth it is spoken from... what a new & strange concept.

/signed
530.099 SP


I have addressed his arguments where he made them, but in terms of his criticism, most notably on leadership, we have the words of a cyno alt. How can anyone in their right mind take the word of a cyno alt whose main may be nothing more than a yes man in one of the main alliances, who has never created anything in Eve and knows nothing of the issues facing a small alliance. Well I have been in leadership of an alliance and run my own rather successful corp, and until I see something to take his so called advice as being anything but hot air and trolling I will keep calling him out with "post with your main."



I concur
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#433 - 2014-02-09 15:22:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaron
My take on Chopper Rollins, based on his responses here it appears that he has not read the thread fully. Anything he says is not going to be on point because he is not clear on what were trying to achieve here. I have advised him to read the thread from the start which I don't think hes going to do and I realize there isn't much point responding to him.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#434 - 2014-02-09 16:58:48 UTC
xxxMASTERxxx wrote:


Stuff..



Oh and by the way, the coat looks better on me than it does you.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#435 - 2014-02-09 17:08:57 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Post with your main so we can see if your words have any value, that is the request, you talk about leadership, you talk about strategy and yet all we can do to assess whether your comments have any worth is that you are a cyno alt. The only hypocrisy is yours. Its not about KB's, its not about some thing you have raised called e-honor, its all about whether anyone can take what you say as having any validity.

Assessing an argument based on its own merits rather than the mouth it is spoken from... what a new & strange concept.

/signed
530.099 SP


I believe Drac wants to know who is talking because lots of manipulation goes on in this game. Chopper Rollins could simply be someone who doesn't want this to work because people will start believing there are other ways to play the game. If this is the case then anything chopper says is going to aimed at shutting Hub Zero down so him showing his main toon will give us a better idea of where he is coming from.

Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#436 - 2014-02-09 17:54:00 UTC
Aaron wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Post with your main so we can see if your words have any value, that is the request, you talk about leadership, you talk about strategy and yet all we can do to assess whether your comments have any worth is that you are a cyno alt. The only hypocrisy is yours. Its not about KB's, its not about some thing you have raised called e-honor, its all about whether anyone can take what you say as having any validity.

Assessing an argument based on its own merits rather than the mouth it is spoken from... what a new & strange concept.

/signed
530.099 SP


I believe Drac wants to know who is talking because lots of manipulation goes on in this game. Chopper Rollins could simply be someone who doesn't want this to work because people will start believing there are other ways to play the game. If this is the case then anything chopper says is going to aimed at shutting Hub Zero down so him showing his main toon will give us a better idea of where he is coming from.


I have addressed his arguments where he made them, but in terms of his criticism, most notably on leadership, we have the words of a cyno alt. How can anyone in their right mind take the word of a cyno alt whose main may be nothing more than a yes man in one of the main alliances, who may have never created anything in Eve and may know nothing of the issues facing a small alliance. Well I have been in leadership of an alliance and run my own rather successful corp, and until I see something to take his so called advice as being anything but hot air and trolling I will keep calling him out with "post with your main."

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#437 - 2014-02-09 19:16:07 UTC
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Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#438 - 2014-02-10 01:02:49 UTC
↑ What a mess
"post with your main" = ad hominem = evasion.
Dragging newbies out to Stain and not one of the 5 more convenient NPC null pockets within striking distance of hisec.
The only things in your way are bloated egos and risk aversion.
I just read the last two Gevnol Golban threads, it's all becoming more clear.
Tell us more about how awesome and experienced you are, it'll be good to link back to after the inevitable narcissistic meltdown and blame distribution.





Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
#439 - 2014-02-10 02:31:10 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
↑ What a mess
"post with your main" = ad hominem = evasion.
Dragging newbies out to Stain and not one of the 5 more convenient NPC null pockets within striking distance of hisec.
The only things in your way are bloated egos and risk aversion.
I just read the last two Gevnol Golban threads, it's all becoming more clear.
Tell us more about how awesome and experienced you are, it'll be good to link back to after the inevitable narcissistic meltdown and blame distribution.







Hehe, I admire your tactics by attacking Hub Zero like this on the thread and fair play to you. I'm pretty sure you will be successful at deterring a few pilots from giving this a try. Forum PVP is a valid way to attack and I must say you are good at it. It would be interesting to find out more about you because I can see you have lots of passion for the Hub being a failure.

I think firstly you have to look at the fact Eve has been crying out for a different way and you should think about the thousands of players that want to rebel against social norms and do something different. Chopper, there's thousands of stubborn people in this game who want to play the game their way and not be dictated to or shoved in a certain direction. It is my vision to help create a place in 0.0 where you can chill out and be your own person.

So go ahead and post here, this really is all the time i can spend responding to you. Try a little harder to post your concerns in a constructive manner or perhaps try to make it into more of a roleplay as this adds an element of fun. I hope you will read the thread from the start because this will give you better insight how we got to this stage. Also consider that your posts will be read by some very intelligent people so it's important to be specific and technical about what you disagree with.

Take it easy.


Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#440 - 2014-02-10 03:10:13 UTC
Aaron wrote:
It is my vision to help create a place in 0.0 where you can chill out and be your own person.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=fLrpBLDWyCI&NR=1

There's a saying in Xhosa: i am because you are. It points up how an adult realises their self by taking their place in the world as they find it. You can be stubborn, rebellious, think outside the box all you like, under any pressure at all a group of solos is going to be shattered to nothing. Seen it happen.
Null groups aren't sheeple or slackers or morons, give them some credit, they exist the way they do because otherwise they'd be steamrolled out of null in a few weeks.




Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.