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illy velo
Emergency and I
#21 - 2014-02-07 23:25:18 UTC
My advice is to train up stealth bombers, cloaking and torpedo skills. Scan down the wormholes like you were going to jump in and mine but instead kill any miners / PI runners you find. Not trolling you either. Get a taste for stealth hunting in a wormhole and your Eve experience will never be the same. The role of hunter is not just for the veterans, get out there and be the guy people never saw coming!
Alkaizer Augustus
Veiled Intent
#22 - 2014-02-08 00:56:42 UTC
illy velo wrote:
My advice is to train up stealth bombers, cloaking and torpedo skills. Scan down the wormholes like you were going to jump in and mine but instead kill any miners / PI runners you find. Not trolling you either. Get a taste for stealth hunting in a wormhole and your Eve experience will never be the same. The role of hunter is not just for the veterans, get out there and be the guy people never saw coming!


This.

I have a lot more appreciation for what it takes to pull off a successful miner/PI runner gank. Learning how to move undetected and track pilots in a system is invaluable, along with all the other skills you acquire honing your craft. Predictability is key sometimes, and you learn to recognize certain behaviors and how to use them to your advantage as a hunter. In turn, you gain that respect for how people game plan against you, and adjust accordingly. For me, the thrill of the hunt is sometimes as fun as the kill.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#23 - 2014-02-08 01:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Welcome to wormholes Big smile

Don't let it suck though.

The Tengu was either a local resident of the system or simply someone who jumped in and cloaked without you catching him on Dscan. As the others have said, using Ventures, constant checking of Dscan and/or using cloaked alts to monitor your connections can result in a reasonably safe mining trip.

Staying aligned can help, especially when cloaky T3s have a delay on targeting (not true for stealth bombers though Blink) plus the Venture's warp strength is also handy. But a lot of folks now use the 3-point scrams and can time their de-cloaking well enough to bump you out of alignment, target, scram and pop all before you've realized what's going on. So proper situational awareness is always the best key to keeping safe rather than relying soley on ship types or fits.

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Boris Johnson's Love Children
#24 - 2014-02-08 01:54:10 UTC
Jay Joringer wrote:
ermagerd! Decent advice from Caius.

Although he did stop short of advising the procurement of a Venture if you must mine in hostile J-Space . Cheaper than retrievers an-and by hostile I mean a system that isn't yoursd harder to tie down.

just for clarification, hostile is if you are out of your pos shields.
Rob Benson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-02-08 18:02:26 UTC
Ezra Blade Blade wrote:
Wow great stuff here.
I expected flaming for being dumb for going there in the first place. So thank you all for giving me some great pointers.

But its so dang exciting and scary! I just cant stay away! I will be taking this info into acct..thanks all for taking the time.
Keep it coming !

one more thing. the warp strength on a venture- that helps me when im scrambled right? should I add another Warp core stab? for safety?
thanks!


Its all about attitude bro. You came in here with a good one and not being a whiner/angry. Venture is your answer, its one of the hardest ships to catch. I do the decloak/bump method and even then its not a guaranteed kill if Im alone. Being ready for an attack will help you greatly. Have a plan, know where your going to warp out to / which direction your going to burn when you get jumped. Cant tell you how many people just freeze when they get jumped, those first few seconds are critical.

Skyriders, ride on!

Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-02-09 21:40:11 UTC
Wormhole space emphasizes the importance of having as much Intel at any one time as possible. Your dominance on the field as well as your survival rest on knowing things like where incoming holes are connected to systems in your chain, who lives in each system and how active they are, and what signatures are in the system you are operating in. As someone already suggested, having an alt that can sit on a hole in question is a great solution to knowing if cloakies are in your presence. If you aren't ready to fight then you know It Is Time To GTFO.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.

Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#27 - 2014-02-10 20:42:53 UTC
D-scan provides no safety for ore field. For any amount of safety you need to know all sigs and crash the static you entered in from that also means having ships that allow crashing of wh and also a scan alt in the wh to open it back up when you finish mining. The ore sites are now anomalies not Signatures and do not need to be scanned down
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#28 - 2014-02-10 23:31:17 UTC
Damn you are unlucky OP! Sucks for a first experience... but it's not always that bad. That's just the thing: with an open sandbox like this, there has to be some unlucky sod who's first attempt gets cut short. In this instance, you were that guy. You only truly lose if you back down and never try again.

That being said, Wspace is a high stakes, high gains kind of game. Making ISK through PVE comes with a price: being subject to unrestricted PVP. My advice would be to get some general PVP experience. It allows you to make better PVE risk assesments down the line. It helps a lot to understand how wspace inhabitants think and what options are available to them. And to you.
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-02-11 15:05:42 UTC
Thanks everyone for the encouragement! Even though I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, it ended up being a great learning experience. Thanks everyone for giving be great advice and not flaming this n00b. I have even had contact form WH corps offering me to take part and teach me thy ways!
Eve rules, I know there are Ruthless meanies out there- but the good part of the community def outweighs - this thread is proof.
thanks all
EBB
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#30 - 2014-02-11 16:43:49 UTC
Venture.

And honestly, I would see about gas mining over ore mining. You should make more isk, your harder to find (as they have to probe out gas sites), and the ships built for it.

But Venture.. Definetly Venture.

Yaay!!!!

Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-02-11 16:49:16 UTC
Ezra Blade Blade wrote:
4 month old player here been doing PVE- mining, l4 security. having fun. thought i'd try something new.
Read the WH forum and the 'Islands amongst the stars' blog. Awesome information.
Found a WH in high sec, level 1.
brought in my retriever to mine some ore. Drones were able to kill the sleepers in my or zones.
always checking Dscan
then I was dead.
like in 8 seconds.
Tengu- never saw him coming- never saw probes.
30m ship. well, first death in 4 months aint bad I guess. But WH seem so exciting and new! but I cant afford to be losing 30m ships.
i'd love to get any encouragement/advice.
Please, I already know " WTFUDOINGINWHSPACENEWB!"
I don't need that
thanks!


Dawww... cute newbie. I'll reimburse your lossmail when I get home this evening.

It's great to see that you have an interest in W-space and I would like to encourage you to stick with it.

Daytripping in wormholes to make money is actually a great way to cut your chops and make some money.

Your opfor was likely cloaked and had been stalking you for a while. If you desire to mine out here a Venture is going to be your go-to ship hull of choice. Hard to catch and more than capable of making you some dough. I do recommend that you join Eve University or hook up with one of the notable W-space corporations as they will be able to better guide you through your skill training and soft-skills in survival.

TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#32 - 2014-02-11 17:46:58 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:
Daytripping in wormholes to make money is actually a great way to cut your chops and make some money.


Totally. It's how I got started, and it's really decent ISK once you get good at it. Plus very low risk in terms of risk/reward. Sure, you get blown up & podded. Fly a clone with no implants and a Venture... you're in it maybe 5 million with T2 gas harvesters, and can pull out a million a minute from many gas sites!

There are tons and tons of high-class, empty wormholes where you can ninja gas in relative safety for hours on end. It's really helpful to have a hauler cloaked up somewhere in system for dropoff (or a nearby POS), which is part of the motivation for people to "settle" w-space. You're much more likely to get ganked while transiting a wormhole than at any other place in an Anoiki, so if you can keep the number of wormhole transits down, your safety is a bit better. Warp to safe, jettison cargo, decloak hauler, pick up cargo, cloak hauler, warp Venture back to site. With the change to warp speed, the Venture is exceptionally quick for a mining vessel!
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-02-12 17:15:51 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:
Ezra Blade Blade wrote:
4 month old player here been doing PVE- mining, l4 security. having fun. thought i'd try something new.
Read the WH forum and the 'Islands amongst the stars' blog. Awesome information.
Found a WH in high sec, level 1.
brought in my retriever to mine some ore. Drones were able to kill the sleepers in my or zones.
always checking Dscan
then I was dead.
like in 8 seconds.
Tengu- never saw him coming- never saw probes.
30m ship. well, first death in 4 months aint bad I guess. But WH seem so exciting and new! but I cant afford to be losing 30m ships.
i'd love to get any encouragement/advice.
Please, I already know " WTFUDOINGINWHSPACENEWB!"
I don't need that
thanks!


Dawww... cute newbie. I'll reimburse your lossmail when I get home this evening.

It's great to see that you have an interest in W-space and I would like to encourage you to stick with it.

Daytripping in wormholes to make money is actually a great way to cut your chops and make some money.

Your opfor was likely cloaked and had been stalking you for a while. If you desire to mine out here a Venture is going to be your go-to ship hull of choice. Hard to catch and more than capable of making you some dough. I do recommend that you join Eve University or hook up with one of the notable W-space corporations as they will be able to better guide you through your skill training and soft-skills in survival.



WOW! thanks for the help incindir- you made may day man, I'll invest wisely- and I will also PAY IT FORWARD-
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-02-12 19:01:36 UTC
Ezra Blade Blade wrote:
WOW! thanks for the help incindir- you made may day man, I'll invest wisely- and I will also PAY IT FORWARD-


Like I said. Invest it wisely. Get yourself some +3 implants for training, replace your hull, and it should pay for your next couple of months worth of skillbooks.

A few rules of thumb. An Int/Perc remap will carry you for your first year, as you'll be training all across the board. If a skill has a x1 multiplier, train it to 5 immediately. Everything else train to 4. Don't get stuck with a skill tree full of III's because you'll get frustrated by being mediocre at everything. I know from personal experience, and it took me a year to fix my skilltree.

Guns are generally superior to missiles in the long run, so train turret supports and small guns. This will offer you the broadest range of hulls to crosstrain into. Frigates are awesome, but stick with one race/weapon type until you have Assault Frigates trained to IV. Don't neglect drone skills either. Assfrigs can do a lot and can punch well above their weight. Your next step after that will be cruisers and medium guns.



Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-02-12 21:12:10 UTC
AHA! see I didn't know whether I should remap or not - but that's a good call since ill be training for a while anyways.
thanks again- going to remap now
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