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Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-02-09 21:20:12 UTC
Basically, you used a smartbomb in highsec and hit another ship, and as a result got concordokken. It really wouldn't matter if the ship you hit was a frigate or a battleship, you actively hit another ship. It's not an exploit of game mechanics on their part, it's a lack of careful use of your weapons. The fact that you had to disable your safety only further exacerbates this point.

As for getting ganked in a 3b hauler, well, that's also your fault, to be honest. Why would you load that much into a hauler? That's asking to get killed. As someone who claims to PvP in lowsec, I would assume that you understand that most PvP in EvE is non-consensual. So I'm unsure how you thought that being in highsec would change that. Highsec isn't safe by any stretch, and it's not supposed to be. While I would argue that there may be some problems with the way highsec space works (namely the lack of ability to adequately respond to non-criminal aggression in some circumstances), the responsibility for getting ganked while flying something akin to a pinata solely rests on you. Decrease the reward part of the Risk:Reward ratio for making you explode, don't skew it hugely in the reward direction and then argue that there isn't enough risk.
Alexandra VonKarl
Little Red Riding Hole
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#22 - 2014-02-09 21:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexandra VonKarl
check my kbs before posting trolls lol , hypothetical situations... geez anyway.. this char is going away : see below



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Mag's
Azn Empire
#23 - 2014-02-09 22:09:10 UTC
OP buys the char, makes themselves look foolish, posts with alts and tries to deflect their failure, then sells the char.

You couldn't make this sh*t up. Lol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#24 - 2014-02-09 22:19:31 UTC
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check my kbs before posting trolls lol , hypothetical situations... geez anyway.. this char is going away : see below


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Thats some harcore forum PvP right there.

oh wai
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#25 - 2014-02-10 00:23:29 UTC
got tired of trying to explain it, so changed my signature just for peeps like the OP.

funny thread though.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

seth Hendar
I love you miners
#26 - 2014-02-10 13:46:28 UTC
Alexandra VonKarl wrote:
Sure... if you consider exploitation of mechanics that shouldnt be in the game in the first place (im looking at you, Smartbomb safety requirement) HOWEVER, if you are in Hi Sec where its supposed to be relatively safe, what would be the point in tanking a hauler when good old CONCORD and the risk vs reward system should have your back? FURTHERMORE, this doesn't even get into the ganks on frieghters who have no way to defend themselves.. I mean, yes you would have to have a larger ship to kill it but the point remains the same. In addition, the POINT ( which by concentrating on the frigate in the example you hope to draw attention from) is to balance the risk vs reward system, not claim there is one and half-ass the enforcement of it.

concord is not here to protect you.

it is here to punish someone who would aggress you when they have no right doing so.

nowhere it is said they'll save your ass

high sec is safer, not safe.

if you are dumb enought to get concorded, that is YOUR problem, for not understanding the game mechanics.

enought of the cry babies who cannot even read, damn CCP even introduced a SAFETY for you, and you want MORE?

you don't want risk => don't undock and go play wow
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#27 - 2014-02-10 13:55:01 UTC
Alexandra VonKarl wrote:
Here's an explanation for you @Mag's. Make a non-juvenille claim and debate a strong point from a position that you are familiar with. Don't step into an adult argument with the 'you suck' quit or uninstall. Its not original and simply not needed.

As for the explanation, see any definition on risk versus reward. Furthermore @Danika, that is a great point and a comprimiseable suggestion. Removing the reason most people get expensive ships in high sec would transfer the risk to the mission runner properly and allow for the pirates to have to themselves be at risk to get the most reward. Finally, that is a great use of the Illicit Minor fallicy on my argument and I applaud you for debating it like a civilized person.

no one is forcing you to fly a gank magnet, any lvl4 mision can be achieved using a T1 BS with a t2 fitting.

you CHOOSE to pimp it, cause you want to run it faster, that is YOUR choice, now face it's consequences.

eve is a game of choices, when i gank someone in low, i accept the consequences, in a form of potential death and SS hit, resulting in my toon unable to go in high unless in a shuttle, i MADE that choice.

same goes for you, you CHOOSE to fly expansive, you then become a potential ganker tgt.

also, i did ran mission in a partly officier fit machariel (worth 2.5+ B at the time) for 2 years, prior to the safety and all crap, i NEVER got ganked, some tried, they failed(one time from a few HP, i ended with 20% struct left :p), but i knew from day one i was exposing myself to loosing this ship to gank, so i took mesures, learned how mechanics worked, to avoid issues.

this is how you eve.
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