EVE General Discussion

FOF missiles. One volley will remove half the EHP of an untanked Falcon.

And before anyone else moans, ECM isn't usually used on the primary, so the only ship flashing red that will be attacked by the FOFs is the ECM ship jamming you.

ECCM needs a boost.

The difference is that being pointed or webbed while dangerous for your ship and much more common, will not leave you only able to inspect the shapes of the new nebula. Any other ewar leaves you with something you can do. ECM takes it's target out of the game. Not fun play.
As for your sabre that solos Falcons even when they have two minni jammers good for you, you have won eve, I bow before one so eveolved, as if on a higher plane, we are fortunate to have your mere presence on this plane.


Yes you are a genius for about 10-20 seconds. As long as it takes the Falcon pilot to mention the damping and have one of his buddies alpha the Keres.


Ok this made me laugh. A 2 midslot ceptor has no sensor strength, and even with a backup array mod (hell even if it had a spare mid for an eccm), the same, negligible strength and possibly getting jammed by an off racial. The rest of your examples are all possible. But it all of course depends on the circumstances of the battle. Number, placement, fittings of the ships on each side. Then there is the temporal component. Regardless, your equating ecm with tracking disruption is stupid. The ship being disrupted can close range, reduce angular motion to the TD ship, use drones for damage or repair, maintain a lock on the disrupting ship so it can't cloak. Many things really. When jammed you can sit and wait or warp out and back maybe. If you chose to wait, you may find yourself waiting multiple cycles.

Yeah, eccm can work on the right ships. It still is not strong enough or constructed correctly. It should be a specific number of sensor strength so that magical Claw might actually have a chance to do something. Also, eccm should either reduce the jam length or just convert the jam to a lockbreak.

However, don't fear you ecm fanboys. CCP has not been able to fix this stupid mechanic for how many years now? Still worth arguing though, maybe some day they'll figure out something better.

You do understand the concept of 'tactics' and 'strategy'? Both are based on knowledge of 'non-random things'.

Not being able to play the game is totally ******. Because of skills, modules, overload, dedicated ships, etc; ECM leans more towards working most of the time and less random to it.

The real problem I have is due to it being a random mechanic, in order to balance when ECM does not work, when it is made insanely OVER POWERED! Seriously, not being able to lock anything for 20 seconds is dumb. Practically every aspect around combat revolves around locking a target. Also for those talking about how frail ECM ships are, well so are the other EW based ships. So it is not like you can toss that in there as an argument in why it help balance it.

There is this whole, "ECM allows smaller gangs to PvP against larger gangs!" argument which is silly. That larger gang can easily us ECM too. So your smaller gang is pretty much ******. Another thing to consider is Caldari only has the one form of EW. So every bonus is dedicated towards that one thing. ECM needs to be completely removed from the game and replaced with two other non-random forms of EW.

Has there been any consideration to adding short-range FOF missiles, adding T2 FOF missiles, and reducing the reload time for launchers? This would give some of the small missile boats for instance the malediction, vengeance, and crow some added utility particularly against ECM ships.

Of course for FOF rockets there's really no need for T2 precision ammo, perhaps go with low damage/longer range anti-drone, and higher damage/short range anti-ship variants.

If ECM boats were as win as some here suggest, everyone would be flying them.

The fact of the matter is that the lifespan of an ECM boat is often measured in seconds due to it being primaried. Even if your side wins the engagement, you will be in a pod more often than if you fly any other ship type. Being primaried means being on fewer killmails than the average DPS ship in the same winning (or even losing) fleet.

Also, in fleet warfare, each side's ECM boats are trying to jam each other. If I manage to jam your logistics it's because your ECM didn't target me or they got melted faster than I melted. Or you forgot to bring any ECM.

The only time my Scorpion lives to see the end of a large fleet battle is usually when supercaps are on the field. Between bubblers being primaried to help supercaps escape, and the crowd's greed to get on a supercap kill and to be sure it does get killed, they are more likely to overlook my Scorpion.

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Why can't ECM just make ships miss more often instead of completely delocking?

imho we are not talking about randomness, but probabilty. there is a big difference.

while in regard to ECM there might be a valid point, that the current game mechanics need review (stacking penalty, maximum fittable modules, cycle times(!), ... whatever), on the contrary to your suggestion, i must say i would like to see more elements of probabilty introduced - while possible impact on game play and chances of occurence need careful balancing, of course.

nothing is absolute, there can always something go wrong, you cannot measure a value exactly - only within some accuracy. there are always side conditions. any action you commit to always bears risk that some things do not work out as exected. i do not see why e.g. the following things should not have a slight element of probabilty added
- passive targeting failing / working only shorter (it might still suffice)
- warp scrambling failing or make it even completely like ECM(*)
- target painting having varying effect over time
- webbing having a varying effect over time

and please, CCP, some more realism would be good - tracking and circling non/slow moving objects...

(*) this will probably cause some bashing now lol ... but, food for thought... how scrambling works right now... doesnt this also make sniping an unfavorable tactic in pvp because you will never be able to get a point from 70km? hm... (sure, alpha kill,... great. thats pvp.)

Don't change ECM. People complaining about it are just too simple-minded to use tactics. Their idea of a manly fight is that everyone fits for max dps and then they simply blast away at each other until one of them drops. So when someone stops their big guns from firing they start to cry. Everyone knows that defense, evasion and obstruction is for pussies, right?