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Three Rules of EVE

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Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#1 - 2011-11-26 04:10:29 UTC
Welcome, new players! I hope your time in New Eden is enjoyable, and that I see you out there some day!

To make your transition to EVE a bit more accomodating, I've given some thought to the three most important things to know about EVE. I may defy your expectations, though, because I'm not going to talk about ore, or missions, or ISK (well, ISK, yes, but only in a peripheral sense).

Rule One is something that every EVE veteran will tell you time and time again:

Never fly what you can't afford to lose. New Eden is a dangerous place, filled with dangerous people. You're going to lose ships -- trust me, you will -- and losing a relatively-inexpensive mining frigate is better than bankrupting yourself to replace a six-billion-ISK subcapital.

Rule Two:

Information is Power, so give your enemy as little as possible. Be careful what you reveal, both here and in the game itself -- many an unwary pilot has lost an expensive cargo (or ship) because he bragged about his 'big find'. Likewise, don't go into too much detail about your weapons and armor.

Rule Three:

Trust no one, until they've earned it. There are individuals and corporations in New Eden that have literally spent years setting their marks up for a big scam, and many of them are very good at it. Trust me, you want to know who you're dealing with before you find yourself floating home in your pod.

See you in the 'verse, pilots, and good luck.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2011-11-26 05:24:00 UTC
You're missing something which you might consider rule zero on that list:

Always be training something. No matter what, you should have something training at all times, 24/7. If you're not really sure what you want to train next, just toss something random on and work on it, you'll thank yourself later when you realize that you really did have a use for that skill. Time when you're not training is SP thrown away and advantage lost, don't let it happen to you.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#3 - 2011-11-26 06:21:44 UTC
There is a collection of similar wisdom in the New Citizens useful threads page of the EVElopedia.

Hope this helps!
Mu'ad Diib
Nul-Bridge Industrial Technologies
#4 - 2011-11-26 11:15:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mu'ad Diib
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Trust no one, until they've earned it. There are individuals and corporations in New Eden that have literally spent years setting their marks up for a big scam, and many of them are very good at it.
mxzf wrote:
[i]Always be training something. No matter what, you should have something training at all times, 24/7.

I'd heartily agree with both of these points.

I've just been scammed by a player, so I can testify with grim realisation that some of them are really, really good.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. When I die, all those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-11-26 11:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
Astrid Stjerna wrote:


Rule Three:

Trust no one, until they've earned it. There are individuals and corporations in New Eden that have literally spent years setting their marks up for a big scam, and many of them are very good at it. Trust me, you want to know who you're dealing with before you find yourself floating home in your pod.



I would argue that the rule should simply be never to fully trust anyone. A thief or a spy will work hard, harder than normal players, to gain your trust and the more you rely on that trust, the worse you'll get hurt by them. It's better to work on the assumption, that you can get screwed over by anyone. That doesn't mean you shouldn't work with others, make friends or give them access to some of your assets when the situation calls for it, but it does mean that whenever possible you should rely on mechanics and procedures, that don't rely on trust and never ever leave yourself or your assets fully vulnerable.
Anshio Tamark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-26 12:54:16 UTC
Just an addition to Rule Three:

Always read a contract or offer 3 times. If you read it only once, you're going to miss the important part. If you read it twice, you might still miss something, and if you read it a dozen times, you're not gonna miss anything, but someone else will take up the offer before you.

On that note, if you're offered a chance to pay a ransom, in exchange for not having your ship popped, make sure it says 30,000,000.00 (30 mil) and not 300,000,000.00 (300 mil) without the separators. There's a huge difference between paying 30mil to let your Battlecruiser go and paying 300mil for the same thing.
Ariane VoxDei
#7 - 2011-11-26 19:07:18 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Never fly what you can't afford to lose. New Eden is a dangerous place, filled with dangerous people. You're going to lose ships -- trust me, you will -- and losing a relatively-inexpensive mining frigate is better than bankrupting yourself to replace a six-billion-ISK subcapital.

Rule Three:

Trust no one, until they've earned it. There are individuals and corporations in New Eden that have literally spent years setting their marks up for a big scam, and many of them are very good at it. Trust me, you want to know who you're dealing with before you find yourself floating home in your pod

So, trust noone, except you?
Sounds like you need to take your own medicine you quack :P
Marwood Ford
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-11-26 19:55:10 UTC
Ariane VoxDei wrote:
So, trust noone, except you?
Sounds like you need to take your own medicine you quack :P


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Marcus Wilde
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-11-26 20:08:39 UTC
#4 Have Fun For Gods Sake!!!Lol

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Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-11-26 22:36:06 UTC
I prefer my own 3 rules of Eve:

1. The most thrilling experiences in Eve happen while flying what you CAN'T afford to lose.

2. Anything a player does to you, you can do to some other poor bastard.

3. You're paying to play this game, so have fun and play it YOUR way.
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#11 - 2011-11-26 23:25:23 UTC
Don't pay ransoms unless you like to pay for getting podded anyhow.

There is no consequence for a pirate in dishonoring a ransom so just don't untill CCP finally creates a reputation/bounty system.
Alysane
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-27 10:06:12 UTC
-Never accept a contract in Jita local (99.9% are scams)
-If you cant afford two of something, then you cant afford one.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-11-27 11:11:49 UTC
Ariane VoxDei wrote:

So, trust noone, except you?
Sounds like you need to take your own medicine you quack :P

You know, I've found this POS in low sec, and its shied is down, there is a freighter/carrier/dreadnought/whatever capital ship you can fly drifting inside it.

I cant fly it, so I want you to come pick it up, we can split the profits 50/50. I want some collateral though, so I know you don't just run off with it. Pay me 100mil and I'll lead you there.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-11-27 11:14:19 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Don't pay ransoms unless you like to pay for getting podded anyhow.

This is terrible advice. Almost all pirates will honor ransoms if you are a good sport about the whole situation. Be polite, be funny, don't let your ego run away with you.

If you do what Louis says, you'll build a reputation of "is a ****", and not only may people hunt you for sport, but one day you'll be in your good clone, and you'll really want to pay that ransom, but you won't get offered it.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

Velicitia
XS Tech
#15 - 2011-11-27 13:47:24 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Don't pay ransoms unless you like to pay for getting podded anyhow.

This is terrible advice. Almost all pirates will honor ransoms if you are a good sport about the whole situation. Be polite, be funny, don't let your ego run away with you.

If you do what Louis says, you'll build a reputation of "is a ****", and not only may people hunt you for sport, but one day you'll be in your good clone, and you'll really want to pay that ransom, but you won't get offered it.



^ This.

With pirates I don't know (and have me camped somewhere "safe" ... like in a station) ... I'll usually negotiate something agreeable ... say half now/half when I get out (or something).

if it's at a gate ... i'll usually go for some other ratio (60/40 or so, whatever's really easy to come up with) so I'm not out quite so much if they do decide to pod me after getting the iskies...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#16 - 2011-11-27 14:57:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis deGuerre
Well it is clear who in this thread is a pirate P

If you like to throw good money after bad by all means pay ransoms Twisted
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#17 - 2011-11-27 19:12:08 UTC
A pretty important rule for people who are in bad highsec corps is this:

Keep your damn mouth shut.

You have no idea how many highsec corps and alliances have found themselves losing billions of isk in assets and a large percentage of their members because a 2 week old character decided to talk smack to the wrong person.
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#18 - 2011-11-27 21:42:54 UTC
I have never been offered a ransom. Every time I've ran into a pirate or gate camp it's been shoot to kill. At times they even destroyed my pod. I came to the conclusion that pirates aren't the most chatty bunch.

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.

Quinnie Huang
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-11-28 01:23:53 UTC
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
I have never been offered a ransom. Every time I've ran into a pirate or gate camp it's been shoot to kill. At times they even destroyed my pod. I came to the conclusion that pirates aren't the most chatty bunch.


Actually, the non-chatty ones don't even consider themselves pirates. It's true.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-11-28 01:55:00 UTC
Quinnie Huang wrote:
Titania Hrothgar wrote:
I have never been offered a ransom. Every time I've ran into a pirate or gate camp it's been shoot to kill. At times they even destroyed my pod. I came to the conclusion that pirates aren't the most chatty bunch.


Actually, the non-chatty ones don't even consider themselves pirates. It's true.


I think you are trying to be sarcastic, but thats not an unfair point. Proper pirates in eve are people who make their money from low sec PvP. You can't make much from module drops, since most people dont bring blingships into low sec.

Thus, real pirates will ransom at every opportunity, because they need the isk.

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer

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