Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok i see your point but to be fair Counter suicidganking with suicidganking (when Concord kills the defender) is kinda silly, it would be nice if CCP could tweak that situation.

Do unto others before they do unto you.

Lehpia, there is also ECM. black birds are cheap and can jam up to 6 gankers for 20 seconds. Catalysts in particular are quite weak against ECM.

there is also logi, which gets even better when boosted.

remember, u dnt have to stop every single ganker, u just have to take out enough gankers or repair enough damage to the freighter for it to have 1hp left and the gank attempt has failed.

In the last 10 posts I've seen an answer to OP's Situation. they may not like the notion of gathering people to assist in transporting goods but really, If you're escorting a freighter with valuable goods, (Value being determined by the individual flying + Market Price) Why not bring a pvp group? If you have competent corpmates they should be happy to extract ganker tears at failed ganks when you blap them. 2-3 logi + 2-3 Nados even with meta 4 guns is more than enough to down gankers and provide reps to the freighter with logi. Hell If you're on grid with the freigther with no webber your logi should be locking and reping it automatically.

If someone wants to take a mach and bump me for 30-45 mins Why would I NOT ping my alliance/corp and tell them my location and situation? They'd be forming up a counter fleet ASAP.

Eve is not single player. You will not have constant bumping on a gate be considered an exploit.

If you get bumped while initiating warp to a gate and you don't try and warp to a celestial that they've probably aligned you too when you've been bumped, You're not trying hard enough.

Someone takes the time to make your life hell, you take the time to make theirs hell. Co-ordinate and HTFU.

Love,
Nomad/Fenrir Pilot~

attacking illegal targets doesnt make a ltd engagement. thus repping the victim does not make u suspect. If the gank victim shoots back at the gankers it would go into a ltd eng. but u can get round that by first attacking the same ganker as the victim so that u share a ltd engagement with the same guy. then u can transfer reps while just being in a ltd eng, and not suspect.

I keep seeing people say Eve is not a single player game, but being a sandbox means you play it how you choose, if that is as a lone wolf then fair enough BUT you then accept the limits this places upon you. That means you are it grave risk carrying anything of value in a big expensive freighter and have to adjust your play accordingly.

As for not enough battles I don't see ganking as a battle but rather an exercise in maths, though on the upside I guess If every attempt to kill me is a battle I have won many by simply surviving in an unarmed hauler...

I tend to play solo in most things (but not always) and accept the risk of doing so. If someone catches and kills me they played their game better than I played mine, if I escape intact I tip my hat to them and wave goodbye...

I do of course have a list of those who successfully ganked me in my first couple of weeks just waiting for when I get into an ishtar :D

I have to disagree. You play how you choose, how much someone elses choices effect your playstyle is a different thing and from the chat discussions there are many ways to at least mitigate against others in many situations...though you will always get caught sometimes! Just buy another ship/clone and move on when that happens...

I haven't read through this whole thread but I would like to ask a question.

Most of the people I see requesting the nerf of things like miner ganking, miner bumping, freighter bumping etc. are part of industrial corps and alliances.

These industrial corps and alliances build the very ships that are used to engage in these activities they rail against.

So I wonder why they don't just drive the prices of gankmobiles up in the market. I mean if you want a higher cost associated with ganking to make it less profitable, what is stopping you from building hundreds of thousands of Catalysts and/or T3 BCs and jacking the price up on the market?

Same can be said for miners. Instead of doing the 0.01 dance in Jita to dump your minerals on the market, horde them until supplies run out, driving the cost up, and then dump them on the market at twice what they were before. Hell, work with similar alliances throughout empire space to come to some price fixing arrangement.

Of course, then the gankers I suppose could go out and mine and haul and produce their own ships, but the thought of gankers mining makes me laugh.

Indy corps have been playing the victim so long that they miss out on the real power that they have.

Yes I think Eve would reach another step on the ladder of epicness if damage was applied to parts of ships rather than its overall hit points.

I think certainly during skirmishes having to decide *what* to repair rather than simply repairing everything as fast as you can could add another fun and skilful aspect to the game.

The dev attention at the moment seems to be largely focussed on fleet combat, so I don't hold out much hope for improvements in realism at the ship level.

i have a alt that fly's freight around high sec normally in afk autopilot mode if im honest.

i have had times when i have been bumping off another freighter trying to aline to the out gate keeping us both stuck.. at least until i manually cancelled warp and piloted the the ship away from the other freighter. this was easy to fix.

i have also had times when i have been bumped around gate for a good 30 mins by 2 mwding battleships playing a game of ping pong with my freighter, with how long it takes a freighter to aline (41.2 s) and its top speed (out of warp) being 102 m/s (228 MPH about the same speed at a twin prop engine aeroplane) it is impossible to burn back to gate before your bumped off gate and its impossible to get into warp (unless they bump you in the direction of you out gate then you at least have a chance) . your basically stuck until they get bored or a gank squad arrives.

ganking isn't the problem its apart of eve it happens, however bumping a ship for hours on end that has no way to defend against it is where the problem lies.

some fix's mentioned have problems of there own

you cant make bumping give you limited engagement or suspect tag or jita undock will be ridiculous with every 1 getting blapped on the undock for bumping as they undock

you cant really make freighters aline faster / have higher top speed as it would break the drawback of flying freighters (high cargo hold very low speed)

you cant gank the bumpers without concord killing you seams like a bad deal to me there bumping in battleships so high ehp so you need to sacrifice a lot of ships to kill 1 ship

It must be considered griefing.

i cant see any way to fix it except to declare it a exploit.

all numbers stated are based on the obelisk with all skills at level 5