Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I assumed it once, just now.


Kill rights against who?


Well where else are they going to be? It's not like they can log in for a gank because you can't bump the freighter... unless you're saying you need kill rights on every freighter you want to gank.

Sorry, I don't know what you're getting at and you're not being very helpful in your explanation.

Edit: I think I get what you mean now. You're saying you should only gank freighters with kill rights and ignore the rest?

If they are useless and this so called 'nothing to lose' group find it so easy, why are there not more freighters lost?

Your stance seems to be that it's not OK for people to gather together, accept the risk of losing their ships in order to kill a freighter. And that you don't need to put the effort in, to gather your friends together, in order to protect the freighter.

You are also under the false belief that your gathering should win 100% of the time.

This is Eve, it's PvP centric and you have to fight for what you build.

Sounds the way it should be

OK, I just did the math on ship collision, and I think this entire "issue"/"completely legitimate gameplay mechanic" is caused by the ridiculously low mass and density of freighters.

Now, you might think that a ship that's supposed to be mostly empty cargo space ought to be low density, but the reality is that according to the given physical volume and cargo space of the freighter, the freighter is only like 5% cargo space. The rest of the freighter has a density of 60 kg/m3. This is probably why a ship bigger than a carrier has such terrible EHP: the "structure" is literally made of Styrofoam and air.

On the other hand, the Bumping Stabber (100MN MWD, 1600mm Plate) has a density of 800 kg/m3.

With current masses, assuming an elastic collision with a stationary Charon, the Charon ought to go flying off at 700 m/s and the Stabber will fly off at about 5000 m/s.

This is why the earlier "fly on the windshield" thing doesn't work with the current stats. The Charon, despite looking big enough to just absorb the momentum of the Stabber without moving that much, is actually over ten times lighter than it ought to be.

If the Charon had the same density as the Stabber, it would only fly off at 55 m/s and the stabber would bounce off at about 5.5km/s.

Now, seeing as the MWD+Plate Stabber is a combat ship specifically fit to be heavy and the Charon isn't, the Charon probably shouldn't have the same density as the Stabber. But the Charon really ought to be a couple times heavier than it is now, given that it's literally less dense than packing peanuts.

Why?

I wasn't too sure of the time, as it has been quite some time since I took part in that activity.

Good to know though and thanks for posting it.

if u increase the freighter mass, prepare for massively reduced acceleration, or massively increased align time. just sayin.



if ur corp and friends cant be bothered to help u, then are they really ur friends? especially when u do so much hauling for them. or if u dnt haul for them, why dnt u? doesnt ur corp work together? should u be looking for a new corp then?

regardless of how lopsided anyone one may think it is, it is an option that can reduce ur risk. maybe u can pay ur, not so, friends to escort u if ur cargo is worth that much to u. or u could just bite the bullet and take more trips in ur freighter.

Insta-warping freighters are almost definitely a broken mechanic, and probably having to do with the algorithm not accounting for the possibility of a ship approaching it's "maximum" speed from a speed greater than that maximum.
current speed ++> maximum speed = :-)
maximum speed <-- current speed = :-(

The reason perma-bumping isn't a broken mechanic is that it takes a player at his/her keyboard actively aligning, re-aligning, activating and deactivating modules, and generally "playing" the game. It's pretty ballsy to say that another player should be unable to affect you when he/she is making a concentrated effort and you are on auto-pilot, watching a movie in another room. And, at best, the bumper achieves a stalemate. Bumping, in and of itself, has no real effect on the "victim" except to delay their warp or move their ship (in a very inefficient and inaccurate way) to a less desireable point in space.

The main complaint of this thread doesn't seem to be that Player A is doing Action X, but that Player A is doing Action X while Player B is doing Action Y and Player C is doing Action Z, etc. Well, where I'm from, they call that "teamwork" and they call the people who engage in teamwork "team players".

Instead of complaining that other players in really expensive ships (Machariels were about a billion ISK just for the hull last I checked.) are able to coordinate with other players in very specialized ships (Gank ships are damn near defenseless against a bona fide combat vessel.) using advanced knowledge of the game's mechanics and advanced planning and logistics to destroy your big, slow-moving freighter . . . instead of complaining about that, maybe you could tell us what it is you want to happen. Clearly, you want to be invulnerable, so, maybe just say that. "I want to be immune to PVP." And, if you could, please explain why, out of all the types of players, you, high sec freighter pilot, should not have to concern yourself with quaint notions like "self-defense" and "situational awareness" and "player-to-player interaction".

One Question in Highsec without Wardeccing and without instawarp, how do i Counter suicidganking of Freighter as Gang of course, not solo.

i wish there was a module that has a chance of preventing a targeted ship from locking other ships