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Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#41 - 2014-02-09 04:01:47 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
You and I must be talking to different Caldari, because most of the ones I talk to, regardless of what they think of the Gallente or if they believe we should be at war with the Federation (and yes there are still quite a fair amount who believe the federation is our enemy and support the conflict with them), do not propose complete genocide like you do in many of your posts.

It is far easier, and more fruitful, to continue on as if nothing was said, Kraid-haan. Nothing will change by words or actions where some are concerned.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#42 - 2014-02-09 04:05:47 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
As for the war I fail to see why furthering Heth's agenda makes anyone a bad group, and when your home planet is on FIRE the peace process helps the Caldari people more than throwing more meat at the grinder. Where were the patriots with aid supplies when people were dying on the ground?

I can't speak for all Patriots, but I was in orbit of Home in Hospital Ship LDMT Utuusi as part of a general aid mission, delivering material, manpower, and medical expertise.

The homeworld is neither Liberal, nor Patriot, nor Practical. It is Caldari.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#43 - 2014-02-09 04:07:24 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
As for the war I fail to see why furthering Heth's agenda makes anyone a bad group, and when your home planet is on FIRE the peace process helps the Caldari people more than throwing more meat at the grinder. Where were the patriots with aid supplies when people were dying on the ground?

I can't speak for all Patriots, but I was in orbit of Home in Hospital Ship LDMT Utuusi as part of a general aid mission, delivering material, manpower, and medical expertise.

The homeworld is neither Liberal, nor Patriot, nor Practical. It is Caldari.

Well spoken. And it was an honor working with you that day.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#44 - 2014-02-09 04:07:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
You know, when she wants to hear another Caldari opinion she sits infront of a mirror…

-Eran

Edit: Didn't notice this third page. That commemt is in response to Mr. Kraids comment from page 2.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#45 - 2014-02-09 04:09:36 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
You know, when she wants to hear another Caldari opinion she sits infront of a mirror…

-Eran

I trust you're speaking of Kim?

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#46 - 2014-02-09 04:11:43 UTC
Yes I made an edit realising the likely confusion.

-Eran
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#47 - 2014-02-09 04:13:22 UTC
The image is good for a giggle. Rikaato.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#48 - 2014-02-09 04:17:38 UTC
You're most welcome!

-Eran
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-02-09 04:58:30 UTC
Ramius Decimus wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

No single megacorp is actually in the war. They do make the stuff used to fight the war though. Ishukone makes very advanced railgun and shield systems.


As they always have, however majority of those systems and weapons are far away from the front lines on their fleets guarding Ishukone territory and property. Home Guard have provided supplementary forces to bolster Caldari Navy forces along border systems in the war zone.

Probably the biggest contribution Ishukone has made is via us, the capsuleers, whom use their technology frequently in the war between militias.

I'm not talking about tech or materials, though, but about actual manpower - which they've been extremely reluctant to provide from the very beginning. Just the fact that Heth is gone is the only reason they've loosened up recently.

Regardless, must I remind everyone that Ishukone was the first to prance up to the Federation and offer peace and compromise so fresh after their devastating assault on the Shiigeru battle group leading to the CNS Shiigeru's destruction and tragic crash planetside. Their actions speak volumes.

Damn liberals.


I concur with Ms. Ishikari, what do you propose as an alternative?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-02-09 05:00:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Ms Kim, would you rather address me by my full title, Duke Frederik Fredal Bugabus the Fourth of Cistuvaert?

I clearly use Fred and Fredfredbug4 for a reason.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#51 - 2014-02-09 05:14:20 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
As for the war I fail to see why furthering Heth's agenda makes anyone a bad group, and when your home planet is on FIRE the peace process helps the Caldari people more than throwing more meat at the grinder. Where were the patriots with aid supplies when people were dying on the ground?

I can't speak for all Patriots, but I was in orbit of Home in Hospital Ship LDMT Utuusi as part of a general aid mission, delivering material, manpower, and medical expertise.

The homeworld is neither Liberal, nor Patriot, nor Practical. It is Caldari.


I finished construction of my "temperate" (as if) colony on the shores of Tekojarvi in the planet's far north during the weeks before The Big Crash. At the time of The Big Crash, I believe I was in a hot tub by a bonfire on a beach in a redwood arcology on Hilaban V. Immediately after The Big Crash, however, I began planting little mushroom spores in the snow around my colony, Luostari-Jo Gomono, in a desperate attempt to gobble up the oxidized tritanium and heavy metal dusts before a "melt" (fsvo) killed more or less everything in the region.

I believe that nearly... fifteen percent of water life in Lake Tekojarvi might conceivably survive with only minor mutations (at least after reintroduction of rescued species). The area is actually quite lovely to look at, now, as long as you don't wonder overly much about the unusual cloud cover - which I understand may improve in the days to come.

Moreover, I've made some lovely archaeological discoveries which, in some cases - such as shipbuilding - show an uncanny parallel to similar periods on Matar.

Pity the Executor did not take up my offer to shelter him in the baby mushroom cellar. He would have been a fascinating conversationalist! I'm sure we could have gotten him off planet on the sly, particularly if he had permitted a few cosmetic surgeries....
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#52 - 2014-02-09 05:58:10 UTC
You give away too much, Lady Noh, especially considering the mystery of the Executor's whereabouts. Perhaps it is less of a mystery to some than it is to others.
Hevaima Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-02-09 06:53:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hevaima Gesakaarin
Ramius Decimus wrote:


As they always have, however majority of those systems and weapons are far away from the front lines on their fleets guarding Ishukone territory and property. Home Guard have provided supplementary forces to bolster Caldari Navy forces along border systems in the war zone.

Probably the biggest contribution Ishukone has made is via us, the capsuleers, whom use their technology frequently in the war between militias.

I'm not talking about tech or materials, though, but about actual manpower - which they've been extremely reluctant to provide from the very beginning. Just the fact that Heth is gone is the only reason they've loosened up recently.

Regardless, must I remind everyone that Ishukone was the first to prance up to the Federation and offer peace and compromise so fresh after their devastating assault on the Shiigeru battle group leading to the CNS Shiigeru's destruction and tragic crash planetside. Their actions speak volumes.

Damn liberals.


It should be noted that Ishukone nor any other Megacorporation is under obligation to bail out Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, or Lai Dai for the consequences of the current conflict that was instigated by the former Executor and the present inability to develop Black Rise to its fullest extent. Nor was it Ishukone that forced a war of attrition against a Federation that outnumbers the State both in terms of population and industrial capacity. Kaalakiota was almost brought to the brink of financial insolvency and bankruptcy due to the corruption of Tibus Heth, not Ishukone, using corporate funds like they were his personal bank account to underwrite the CEWMPA treaty where the effort of employees was diverted to line the pockets of independent privateers more concerned with profit than true patriotic duty. Never mind crippling Kaalakiota with foreign debt to the Empire that now could only be paid through having to sell Echelon Entertainment, a bastion of Caldari cultural values for decades, to foreign enterprise before Imperial interest repayments brought the company to internal recession.

Every decision the former Executor made has proven disastrous in the long run. Only a fraction of the battlegroup that struck into Luminaire would have been required given Tripwire was compromised and the Federation Navy was not in a state of readiness. Yet not a single other Task Force was dispatched to destroy the marshalling yards of the Federal Fleet, destroy the ghost fleets Foiritain had decommissioned in defence spending cutbacks, or military industries in Solitude. Such a decision would have given the opportunity to negotiate a settlement for the Homeworld from a position of undeniable strength for the State and precluded the need for the expenses of a CalNav occupation fleet nor the need to sign the CEWMPA treaty.

A CEWMPA treaty in which Tibus Heth foolishly signed away Black Rise. Black Rise which had been held in secret reserve. Black Rise which, if it had been fully developed by Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, and Lai Dai for a few decades more would have secured the economic and political power of the Patriots well into the future. Black Rise which could have potentially served as the military staging ground to build the invasion fleet to be deployed against the Federation in order to both bring a final resolution to the Caldari Prime question answered through force of arms and expand the borders of the State. All that potential advantage thrown away, for what exactly? A quagmire of a war in which Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, and Lai Dai are now stuck unable to either move forward nor withdraw all the while bleeding out lives and resources just to finance the political opportunism and military adventurism of an Executor that was all fiery rhetoric, and flag-waving jingoism but lacking in talent, ability or intelligence?

Damn the Liberals and Ishukone for not expending their lives and assets to defend the interests of Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, and Lai Dai in Black Rise? Ishukone cannot be damned today without at least cursing Tibus Heth and those who allowed a corrupt and incompetent demagogue to play at being General when he couldn't even make it in the Home Guard; and play at being Chief Executive when the only thing he knew how to manage was a forklift and not a Megacorporation. In having succumbed to fear of the mobs and hate-filled populism Heth espoused we in the Kaalakiota, at least, became no better than those that once followed Duvailer into the abyss like mad dogs of war.

Those today that seek recrimination against Ishukone for their pragmatism towards the Federation forget that there is no weakness in compromise if it is to your advantage, nor does peace mean surrender. At least the overtures by Ishukone might permit an effective resolution of the current CEWMPA treaty and allow Kaalakiota the peace with dignity required to recover from half a decade of corruption, incompetence and mismanagement by Heth under the stewardship and leadership of a true heir to the legacy of Mathias Sobaseki as found in Haatakan Oiritsuu.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#54 - 2014-02-09 07:02:50 UTC
Hevaima Gesakaarin wrote:
Ramius Decimus wrote:


As they always have, however majority of those systems and weapons are far away from the front lines on their fleets guarding Ishukone territory and property. Home Guard have provided supplementary forces to bolster Caldari Navy forces along border systems in the war zone.

Probably the biggest contribution Ishukone has made is via us, the capsuleers, whom use their technology frequently in the war between militias.

I'm not talking about tech or materials, though, but about actual manpower - which they've been extremely reluctant to provide from the very beginning. Just the fact that Heth is gone is the only reason they've loosened up recently.

Regardless, must I remind everyone that Ishukone was the first to prance up to the Federation and offer peace and compromise so fresh after their devastating assault on the Shiigeru battle group leading to the CNS Shiigeru's destruction and tragic crash planetside. Their actions speak volumes.

Damn liberals.


It should be noted that Ishukone nor any other Megacorporation is under obligation to bail out Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, or Lai Dai for the consequences of the current conflict that was instigated by the former Executor. The present inability to develop Black Rise to its fullest extent. Forced into a war of attrition against a Federation that outnumbers the State both in terms of population and industrial capacity Kaalakiota was almost brought to the brink of financial insolvency and bankruptcy due to the corruption of Tibus Heth using corporate funds like they were his personal bank account to underwrite the CEWMPA treaty where the effort of employees was diverted to line the pockets of independent privateers more concerned with profit than true patriotic duty. Never mind crippling Kaalakiota with foreign debt to the Empire that now could only be paid through having to sell Echelon Entertainment, a bastion of Caldari cultural values for decades, to foreign enterprise before Imperial interest repayments brought the company to internal recession.

Every decision the former Executor made has proven disastrous in the long run. Only a fraction of the battlegroup that struck into Luminaire would have been required given Tripwire was compromised and the Federation Navy was not in a state of readiness. Yet not a single other Task Force was dispatched to destroy the marshalling yards of the Federal Fleet, destroy the ghost fleets Foiritain had decommissioned in defence spending cutbacks, or military industries in Solitude. Such a decision would have given the opportunity to negotiate a settlement for the Homeworld from a position of undeniable strength for the State and precluded the need for the expenses of a CalNav occupation fleet nor the need to sign the CEWMPA treaty.

A CEWMPA treaty in which Tibus Heth foolishly signed away Black Rise. Black Rise which had been held in secret reserve. Black Rise which, if it had been fully developed by Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, and Lai Dai for a few decades more would have secured the economic and political power of the Patriots well into the future. Black Rise which could have potentially served as the military staging ground to build the invasion fleet to be deployed against the Federation in order to both bring a final resolution to the Caldari Prime question answered through force of arms and expand the borders of the State. All that potential advantage thrown away, for what exactly? A quagmire of a war in which Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, and Lai Dai are now stuck unable to either move forward nor withdraw all the while bleeding out lives and resources just to finance the political opportunism and military adventurism of an Executor that was all fiery rhetoric, and flag-waving jingoism but lacking in talent, ability or intelligence?

Damn the Liberals and Ishukone for not expending their lives and assets to defend the interests of Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, and Lai Dai in Black Rise? Ishukone cannot be damned today without at least cursing Tibus Heth and those who allowed a corrupt and incompetent demagogue to play at being General when he couldn't even make it in the Home Guard; and play at being Chief Executive when the only thing he knew how to manage was a forklift and not a Megacorporation. In having succumbed to fear of the mobs and hate-filled populism Heth espoused we in the Kaalakiota, at least, became no better than those that once followed Duvailer into the abyss like mad dogs of war.

Those today that seek recrimination against Ishukone for their pragmatism towards the Federation forget that there is no weakness in compromise if it is to your advantage, nor does peace mean surrender. At least the overtures by Ishukone might permit an effective resolution of the current CEWMPA treaty and allow Kaalakiota the peace with dignity required to recover from half a decade of corruption, incompetence and mismanagement by Heth under the stewardship and leadership of a true heir to the legacy of Mathias Sobaseki as found in Haatakan Oiritsuu.

I'm keeping a copy of this, to be handed out every time I hear the Ishukone Argument.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#55 - 2014-02-09 12:40:02 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
As for the war I fail to see why furthering Heth's agenda makes anyone a bad group, and when your home planet is on FIRE the peace process helps the Caldari people more than throwing more meat at the grinder. Where were the patriots with aid supplies when people were dying on the ground?

I can't speak for all Patriots, but I was in orbit of Home in Hospital Ship LDMT Utuusi as part of a general aid mission, delivering material, manpower, and medical expertise.

The homeworld is neither Liberal, nor Patriot, nor Practical. It is Caldari.

Such work is appreciated.
This was more directed at the corporations in that bloc though. Comments were made regarding Ishukone specifically but also Liberals in general that they are doing a disservice to the State and are disloyal, but it was Ishukone and the liberals first on the scene to help Caldari citizens who were dying while everyone else was condemning them for actually caring about people.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-02-09 17:11:07 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
You and I must be talking to different Caldari, because most of the ones I talk to, regardless of what they think of the Gallente or if they believe we should be at war with the Federation (and yes there are still quite a fair amount who believe the federation is our enemy and support the conflict with them), do not propose complete genocide like you do in many of your posts.

There are only one type of Caldari: they are those, who work for the State. They are those, who value name Caldari above their corporation. They are those, who value being Caldari greater than their own life. And they are those, who will give away everything to protect their world, families and way of life.

But those, who blame defenders of the home in "complete genocide of entire race", are not Caldari. They are dissident scum, who were broomed away from our beloved State by strong hand of the greatest patriot - Tibus Heth. I would prefer for ones like you to be jailed for life sentences or shoot on contact, and not letting them get away from justice of the State by becoming capsuleers.

Go, kiss boots of your gallentean overlords, while you can. When the State will be restored in the glory, we will knock to your door too.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-02-09 17:43:46 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

There are only one type of Caldari: they are those, who work for the State. They are those, who value name Caldari above their corporation. They are those, who value being Caldari greater than their own life. And they are those, who will give away everything to protect their world, families and way of life.

But those, who blame defenders of the home in "complete genocide of entire race", are not Caldari. They are dissident scum, who were broomed away from our beloved State by strong hand of the greatest patriot - Tibus Heth. I would prefer for ones like you to be jailed for life sentences or shoot on contact, and not letting them get away from justice of the State by becoming capsuleers.

Go, kiss boots of your gallentean overlords, while you can. When the State will be restored in the glory, we will knock to your door too.


While I do admire your persistence Ms. Kim, you are living in a completely different world. The Provist have been labeled as terrorist, and Tibus Heth is currently becoming very much acquainted with Uncle Sansha. The State will be restored in glory, by leaving people like you and other provist out of the picture. It's already begun.

There is an ancient tale of a dictator and his fanatical people who brought a whole planet to war. After early victories, the planet decided decided they wouldn't go quietly, and rose against him. Soon, this dictator and his closest generals found themselves in a bunker, still believing victory would come when the enemy army was less than 20 meters away. Long story short, it didn't.

This story, whether it be true or false, is exactly the same situation the Provist find themselves in. You lost, you were outplayed. Move on and try something better for yourselves and the cluster.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-02-09 18:58:26 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

While I do admire your persistence Ms. Kim, you are living in a completely different world. The Provist have been labeled as terrorist

Only incompetent illiterate fool would call Provists as terrorists. It is well known, that they were capturing facilities without loss of Caldari lives.
Real terrorists are people like Hatakaan "Murderer" Oiritsuu, who will pay for what they have done, in this life or after.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:
and Tibus Heth is currently becoming very much acquainted with Uncle Sansha.

Executor Heth has died as a hero of the State.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:
The State will be restored in glory, by leaving people like you and other provist out of the picture. It's already begun.

That's not for incompetent myoptic jaijii to judge. Don't poke your stinking gallentean nose into Caldari matters, and you might save your empty head on your useless shoulders.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

There is an ancient tale of a dictator and his fanatical people who brought a whole planet to war. After early victories, the planet decided decided they wouldn't go quietly, and rose against him. Soon, this dictator and his closest generals found themselves in a bunker, still believing victory would come when the enemy army was less than 20 meters away. Long story short, it didn't.

Never heard about this story. Who would be this dictator, interesting? Roden with his gallentean bootlickers?

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

You lost, you were outplayed. Move on and try something better for yourselves and the cluster.

While there are Caldari alive, we have not lost.
Soon you will see Caldari Navy boots stomping burning ruins of your former home, gallentean!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-02-09 19:22:45 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Only incompetent illiterate fool would call Provists as terrorists. It is well known, that they were capturing facilities without loss of Caldari lives.

Real terrorists are people like Hatakaan "Murderer" Oiritsuu, who will pay for what they have done, in this life or after.


Taking hostages by force while making demands is considered by CONCORD and every single one of the big four, including the State as an act of terrorism.

Quote:
Executor Heth has died as a hero of the State.


Ah, so now you think he's dead? Not too long ago you were confident in his return. While I doubt he died, I think you've made progress Ms. Kim, if only a little.

Quote:
That's not for incompetent myoptic jaijii to judge. Don't poke your stinking gallentean nose into Caldari matters, and you might save your empty head on your useless shoulders.


That's cute.

Quote:
Never heard about this story. Who would be this dictator, interesting? Roden with his gallentean bootlickers?


Scholars suspect that this dictator existed sometime before the opening of the EVE Gate. Aside from that, no one is quite sure and there is plenty of debate as to whether or not he existed.

Roden is not a dictator, but he certainly acts like one. We actually have a similar situation that the State had with Heth. We were at one of our lowest points in history, when suddenly a great leader emerges and brings us back to the top of the cluster. Let's see if we can avoid the downfall that tends to come after this stage.

Quote:

Soon you will see Caldari Navy boots stomping burning ruins of your former home, gallentean!


I've learned in my life that the word "Soon" actually means "a very long time from now, if at all", especially when it comes to galnet game developers and government organizations. Considering the Caldari Navy falls into the category of the latter, I think I'll have plenty of time to fireproof my home.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-02-09 19:53:55 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Taking hostages by force while making demands is considered by CONCORD and every single one of the big four, including the State as an act of terrorism.

Oh, just great!
What's next? CONCORD considers that murder is a robbery?
Or what else they tell to naive gallenteans, who can't look up for meaning of words?..

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Quote:
Executor Heth has died as a hero of the State.


Ah, so now you think he's dead? Not too long ago you were confident in his return. While I doubt he died, I think you've made progress Ms. Kim, if only a little.

Actually, now I think that gallentean education, or at least facility, guilty with educating person known as "fredfredbug4", omitted reading classes and replaces them with instruction for using obvious lies as arguments.
But anyway, is there a gallente, who actually thinks, before saying or writing something, eh?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.