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EVE Client Frequently freezes up computer screen

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Call Rollard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#121 - 2014-02-08 23:31:27 UTC
Dux Bellorium wrote:
Grateful that I don't seem to have it as bad as others. I seem to be able to login OK. I can't play as normal though. I'm not taking any fleets out and risking other players ships, because I can't pull up the map, I can't really go into low or null sec safely.

Today I had my first "right click crash" where right clicking in space was all that was needed to generate another hard crash. I crash 3 or 4 times a day now. Takes out the whole computer. In just about every case for me it happens when a window is being called/opened. Be that a Map window, a web browser window.

I'm also grateful CCP has someone like CCP Snorlax keeping us up to date. We know your working on this. People in this thread have also all been really helpful and for the most part, kept it very positive. As a developer myself I know it makes CCP Snorlax's job much easier when he can focus on the problem and not have to deal with difficult people.

As we approach a full week of major issues that pretty much affects the entire Mac platform, (sure, it's not the largest, but still no less important than other segments) of not of not being able to play as normal, it might be worth considering reverting to the old code that was in place before the problems started? That is ultimately the common thread. Everyone's problems started after the 1.1x patch.

I know that companies set deadlines and goals that need to be met. Sometimes things get pushed out the door before they are ready to meet a deadlines. This may not have been the case here, I am not in a position to know. I just know that sometimes it happens.

While initial efforts to fix the problem are greatly appreciated, at some point there will come a time where it is better to save face and revert to the old code . Resolving the problem in the short term while development continues to fix the code and bring back the latest updates.

I don't know when the point in time is. A week, a week and a half, two weeks? The potential is there for this to become an even bigger customer service issue for CCP. I don't want to see that happen and hope that CCP has a date set, were if you can't resolve the issue, you revert the code (short term fix) and keep that segment of your customer base positive. I would not think negatively of CCP if they did this. On the contrary I think it is the right thing to do.

Having a lot of angry customers who are paying for something and not getting what they are paying for is really bad for any company for so many reasons. CCP has been very responsive and without question has shown to take this issue very seriously. I have nothing but good things to say about their whole approach to the problem. I know they are on our side and while it's only a game, it's still a product / service that we subscribe to and pay for. I'm not asking for my money back. I'm very patient. I just don't want to get to the point were patience runs out, not just for me but for this entire market segment.

So please, set a date if you have not already. A deadline. Where either a solution has been found and deployed or revert the code. Don't just rule it out and say it's not possible. It’s not just old Macs that are affected. And while you're at it, hop on Craig's list and go buy a couple old used Macs. In the grand scheme of things, the cost of a couple of old used Macs is far less aggravating an entire segment of your user base.

In the mean time, I'll keep testing the patches and giving you what ever feedback I can and hopefully what I have written here has remained positive like some many other posts before mine.

Thank you for all you are doing to get us fully back up and running, crash free.


The problem is if the old code was brought back before these problems started happening, the AMD cards will then have an issue. What broke EVE for the Mac users and many other users was fixing the AMD issue.

I encountered this exact problem we are having on TQ when I went onto the Singularity server the night before the 4th Feb patch. So I did find the bug, it was just too late and CCP rolled out the patch.

Though the lots and lots of issues people came across on the 4th of feb patch must have been detectable on the Singularity server, it was detectable for me at least for sure.
Emesine
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry.
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#122 - 2014-02-09 00:23:31 UTC
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The problem is if the old code was brought back before these problems started happening, the AMD cards will then have an issue. What broke EVE for the Mac users and many other users was fixing the AMD issue.


I'm not sure this has to be true. If a link to a pre-Feb4 patch were made available, I could import that patch and all would be well on my system. I don't see how this would have any impact on other user's systems. In the mean time CCP could work on the issue and I would be able to maintain play.
Axel Nolm
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. ACADEMY
#123 - 2014-02-09 01:37:42 UTC
I have had this happening to me as well just lost a pretty expensive ship due to it.

Had no problems untill this started happening.

Blackflickering and game freezes in windowed mode.
Comp is frozen aswell in most cases making closing down game client impossible.

MacBook

2 GHz Intel core 2 Duo

2 GB 1067 MHx DDR3

Nvidia Geforce 9400M 256 MB

OSX 10.7.5
Rudazara
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#124 - 2014-02-09 02:11:40 UTC
So this is the third thread started about this issue. Obviously you guys are just so frustrated that you haven't bothered to even see if anyone else has this problem and posted a thread about it. Pretty retarted...

In any case, Snorlax, I really hope you guys figure this one out and appreciate the time you have put in so far investigating the issue. I am not looking foreword to buying a new computer....even though I am a stuck up, snobby hipster mac user, as are we all apparently, and should buy a PC regardless because....well.....MAC's are good for photoshop, music and film production, and thats pretty much it Cool

The issue really is strange; some toons don't even reach login screen without a freeze, and my other toon can fly around in space, until I decide to dock then it freezes. Funny and unbelievably annoying at the same time, kinda like Dane Cook (I think I will name my computer that).

Obviously we all hope the issue is resolved before all else, as I am sure the rest of your dev team agrees, but for those of us who have characters not skilling because of the inability to log in....yeah.......you know what I am going to ask next Oops. I plexed 4 accounts before this issue started, and have had 12 hours of skilling on less than 3 accounts since the error/bug. I'm sure if you were in my position you would understand why I ask.

Can we get some reassurance that we will be taken care of? Like a pat on the back and a methodical "everything will be alright, here is some game time/plex/all of the things?"

BlinkPirate

Thanks guys, really hope I can play soon!!!
Caelum Sky
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2014-02-09 06:05:34 UTC
Rudazara wrote:
So this is the third thread started about this issue. Obviously you guys are just so frustrated that you haven't bothered to even see if anyone else has this problem and posted a thread about it. Pretty retarted...


But you personally posted in this thread like 4 times already... lol I guess you are speaking from experience, of the frustration of course.
Rudazara
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#126 - 2014-02-09 13:23:55 UTC
Caelum Sky wrote:
Rudazara wrote:
So this is the third thread started about this issue. Obviously you guys are just so frustrated that you haven't bothered to even see if anyone else has this problem and posted a thread about it. Pretty retarted...


But you personally posted in this thread like 4 times already... lol I guess you are speaking from experience, of the frustration of course.


I have posted in all of them :D
Lokk Jaw
Short Bus Ballaz
Weaponised Anarchy
#127 - 2014-02-09 13:46:42 UTC
Rudazara wrote:
Caelum Sky wrote:
Rudazara wrote:
So this is the third thread started about this issue. Obviously you guys are just so frustrated that you haven't bothered to even see if anyone else has this problem and posted a thread about it. Pretty retarted...


But you personally posted in this thread like 4 times already... lol I guess you are speaking from experience, of the frustration of course.


I have posted in all of them :D



RUD! I'm having the same damn issue.... Quite annoying, hopefully we'll be back up soon - Glad to see your name around here big little sexy
Call Rollard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#128 - 2014-02-09 14:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Call Rollard
Rudazara wrote:
So this is the third thread started about this issue. Obviously you guys are just so frustrated that you haven't bothered to even see if anyone else has this problem and posted a thread about it. Pretty retarted...


I was the first one to make a thread about this exact issue. Constently freezing up is a 3 year old thread, therefore I made this one since it's a new issue.

I told other people to post in the blackout issue for the blackout issue since it's not the exact same issue. I have the flicker crash issue.

But I was the first to make a thread for this issue I'm reporting.

Been almost a week of no EVE Sad
Call Rollard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#129 - 2014-02-09 18:38:16 UTC
Seems like we won't get a patch tomorrow if CCP still hasn't reproduced it Straight
Gudrun die Gute
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2014-02-09 19:35:06 UTC
Still having problems with various outcome.

To my surprise I was able to enter the game normally this morning. I already thought, that CCP might had solved the problems.

Next log in some hours later again brought the black screen.

Sometimes I am able to click the black screen on my first character and sometimes the game starts after several minutes.
kloktar
Laddexperten
#131 - 2014-02-09 20:17:28 UTC
i just got into game for about 10 seconds.... total fluke i reckon. Sadly i wasn't able to install any skills because i had to select the character from the black screen and i accidentally got the wrong one....
Boogie Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2014-02-09 20:23:09 UTC
If you need a Mac to duplicate the crash on I'll happily send you mine. Not like I'm using it to play much anyway. hahaha

CptBen: this was the rare nice CptBen, ill probably be back later and boogie will agravate me and ill call you all scrubs

kloktar
Laddexperten
#133 - 2014-02-09 20:33:27 UTC
Well i'm in game..... skill queue updated. Honestly i can't see what's wrong... everything looks as it should. Able to undock and fly around.... i suppose at some point it will **** up on me, but for now.... i'm actually online.
Call Rollard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#134 - 2014-02-09 20:38:52 UTC
kloktar wrote:
Well i'm in game..... skill queue updated. Honestly i can't see what's wrong... everything looks as it should. Able to undock and fly around.... i suppose at some point it will **** up on me, but for now.... i'm actually online.


If you go to Amarr and remain on the undock, move the camera around then if it doesn't freeze up within a minute at all, seems you are ok. But it still does the hard flicker crashes on me.
Rudazara
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#135 - 2014-02-09 21:47:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rudazara
Call Rollard wrote:
Rudazara wrote:
So this is the third thread started about this issue. Obviously you guys are just so frustrated that you haven't bothered to even see if anyone else has this problem and posted a thread about it. Pretty retarted...


I was the first one to make a thread about this exact issue. Constently freezing up is a 3 year old thread, therefore I made this one since it's a new issue.

I told other people to post in the blackout issue for the blackout issue since it's not the exact same issue. I have the flicker crash issue.

But I was the first to make a thread for this issue I'm reporting.

Been almost a week of no EVE Sad


......I feel you on that Ugh

Regardless of the fact that I am buying a new computer because I am pretty outdated as it stands, I have payed to subscribe without notification that the game may become unplayable for some MAC users. Mostly because CCP had no clue it would happen, or even what the current issue is. No skills active, unplayable game, paying for nothing.
Rozie Gallifrey
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2014-02-09 23:21:02 UTC
So I have a Mid 2010 MBP. Having the same freezing and crashing issues. I used boot camp and am running windows 7 64bit and eve is working better then on the native mac. if you can get windows running i suggest using it for now.
Rudazara
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#137 - 2014-02-10 00:01:24 UTC
Having trouble getting eve to boot on my boot camp drive. Launcher runs, icon pops up in the bottom, no response.
Marcus Peasant
WarRavens
#138 - 2014-02-10 00:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Peasant
I've had the same issue, and will at the least expect some compensation... I mean, it's not as if the currency is "real". Anyway, it would make all us EvE'ers feel a whole lot better.

Personally, I'd like 20 days of instant skilling. Just pick a skill, and skill up 20 days... Sounds good to me... In Eve, how you use time is worth a whole hell of a lot more than just pure PLEX.Idea

If I receive PLEX for this issue, I'll be forced to start some kind of protest... Twisted
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#139 - 2014-02-10 13:29:45 UTC
We have not had any luck in reproing this, but we have a patch going out tomorrow where we have at least an attempted fix.

I've gone through all changes to the graphics engine that went out in the patch that seems to have triggered the black screen on character select, and we're basically reverting those changes when running on a Mac. We're grasping at straws here, but I feel we have to try something.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/

Autumn Orchid
#140 - 2014-02-10 13:39:27 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
We have not had any luck in reproing this, but we have a patch going out tomorrow where we have at least an attempted fix.

I've gone through all changes to the graphics engine that went out in the patch that seems to have triggered the black screen on character select, and we're basically reverting those changes when running on a Mac. We're grasping at straws here, but I feel we have to try something.

Really hope whatever you're trying fixes this issue. I'm on my 7th time logging in in the past 10 minutes just to dock my character safely to log off and wait for tomorrow.

If it helps at all I only really get issues with this early morning (7am-11am EST). When I get on at night (6pm-10pm EST) I have yet to have an issue. Doubt that has anything to do with it, but anything I can provide that may help get this fixed sooner I'll provide.