Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Solution to the entire *****fest: Remove cloaked ships from local.

If they're AFK, they can't hurt you.

If they're cloaked, they can't:
- Target
- Use EWAR
- Fire Weapons

So, with that said, the mechanic is balanced, quit crying and trying to get it nerfed because you obviously suck at life.

It was a simple question.

What mechanic are they using, to interact with you and create fear whilst AFK?

OP suggestion unsupported, no real valid reason, poor argument and potentially "crippling" mechanic.

ITT: psychological warfare is working as intended.

I feel that OP might not be representing this as well as he could be. Not to be stepping on any toes or anything but a few people seem to be shifting onto the idea that they agree with the fact that AFK cloak is abuse of a good mechanic.

To get people onto the same page, I'd be more than happy to inform them.

"How do AFK people strike fear?"

You don't know if they are truly AFK. Are they returning once every few hours? Are they actually sitting there? Are they watching you rat right now with a covet cyno? When are they going to uncloak and warp onto you? (Since they can get a BM at any time while cloaked, warp away and come back if they so choose, since you dont know if they were really afk or not).

A pair of eyes in the system is incredibly strong. now the reasons I listed arent all encompassing, but its an example of how this can effect someones play.

Now onto a more important issue that I would like to address.

"That doesn't seem like a fair way to change the mechanic to the rest of us"

I like this statement a lot. It means many of you are thinking about the change and focusing more on how to solve the problem rather then just saying know. Thank you. Thank you very much for accepting this. And I feel the its the community's responsibility to come up with a solution. (Or CCP. Im not really sure who usually figures these things out, Even though I suppose ultimately its their choice)

The suggested idea By Gurasata was just that. A suggested idea. I feel more effort should be put forth on finding alternative, more comfortable solutions for everyone. Indeed everyone has different play styles. And thats exactly why we need more people giving input.

Within my own circle of friends their have been several different suggestions, such as a structure that randomly sends a pulse out in the system once every 30-45 minutes (15 minute interval of time for it to go off that no one knows where it will land in).

Obviously this has its issues that I'm more than sure I dont need to go into, its just a listed suggestion.

Or being able to probe people out to a grid. But not pin pointing where they are at. You just know they are on that grid.

This obviously has some issues as well.

Or, taking what someone else suggested, (Gurasta's suggestion) And trying to work with it a bit and come up with a solution that more people are happy with.

Perhaps have a changing timer? Use fuel after you have been cloaked for a solid 30 minutes. After 25 minutes the cooldown increases exponentially for each minute still cloaked. Until you start using fuel, which will reduce this cooldown.

Again this is just a suggestion. Please, We are all here to improve the game and continue making it move forward. The number one issue here is that there is nothing that can be currently done about AFK cloaks. You can destroy their entire alliance, you can make everyone move back to empire. But they can still have an AFK cloak in your system just because they dont like you, And there isn't a single thing that be done about it.

All the community is asking for is either a way to prevent people from going AFK all day or empowering people who get stuck in their home system to be able to go out and do something about it. No matter how tedious it might be.

Sorry for the WOT. Thank you for reading (For those of you that did.)

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Let me rephrase my answer then. He can use dscan and or probes to figure out your location, thus interacting with you. While seem to be afk. The fear factor is his presence alone.

How can I force pvp onto him, at times when he don't want to?

What difference does it make, pound for pound, dedicated cloaking ships are penalised on the PvP scale. Their main advantage is intelligence (not suprisingly something they are designed for) and having a "choice" about engagement. Cloaking technology also adds penalties to "suprise" tactics with targeting having a sensor recalibration delay. This penalty combined with other significant penalties for anything other than the dedicated cloak type craft removes problems associated with suprise tactics. The exception being a stealth bomber.

As a suggestion to help with "your" cloaking problem, use the suggested helpfull counters like cyno jammers and your own intelligence operatives to alleviate anxieties and manage your cloaking visitors rather than become terrified of them.

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Just considering the stealth bomber (SB), where cargo space is a premium for effective use with bombs and torps. How can it be expected that these ships also carry cloak fuel? OP wants to make SB's redundant perhaps?

I don't have a problem with cloakers. Really I don't.

I think the prospect of cloaking is cool. And could be unique. But.

I don't like that players claim that EVE is sutch a gritty and unfirgiving game, that whenever you undock you basicly consent to pvp and that you should not fly what you can't afford to loose. It seems to me then that its is very hypocritical to equip a cloak and be basicly excemt from that rule.

A miner can be lolganked in high-sec and it is a-ok since EVE is a hard place to live in, and don't fly what you can't afford. Complain on the cloak module, its a whole other story. He is AFK so he can't hurt you!! Cloak is not broken HTFU L2P!!

If EVE is a dangerous place to live, it should be that for everyone.

Erm, your alliance member was extremely polite in his debate also, so dont suddenly become the hard done by as a result. I didn't see his pragmatic willingness to make compromises and debate things sensibly.

And yet still with a possible solution to the AFK problem that was/is assumed to be a problem you are still wanting to push through extra nefing conditions for cloakies for no real valid reason. So don't hide behind the umbrella of pragmatism to get your nerf pushed through.