EVE General Discussion

Mining barge buff + destroyer buff == no net change.

Another valid point. It's a pain to find your spot

This. Killmails can offer a concrete factual reference to support or rebut an argument. Consider the following:

A player posts a thread complaining about interceptors. Looking at his loss history, we see that he recently lost 3 pve domis in nullsec to gank fleets that involved an interceptor. However, we also see that he had no heavy neuts fitted to his domi. This is a very basic fitting mistake. Heavy neuts can and do save pve ships regularly. By posting a link to this loss and fit, we open up a path for constructive criticism.

Kill mails could be used for trolling, yes, but that already happens anyway. Allowing kill mails to be used as a reference for constructive criticism might be a good thing.

If that were the case a T2 destroyer could still solo a mack in 0.7, its not the case.

E: The thing Herr Wilkus got nerfed was the Boomerang Maneuver.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4213356#post4213356

That thread right there is proof that the NPC alts need to be handled. There were 2-3 NPC alts that continually derailed that thread and instead of dealing with the NPC alts it gets locked. How do you expect any discussion to occur when you've got people literally devoted to stopping it and you won't deal with them?

E: The thread was cleaned multiple times and the same people kept shitting it up without any consequence.

I do believe Eshtir was detailing restrictions in place so people are aware we are not unchecked despots being fed grapes while discussing what threads we shall lock today. It might be a volunteer job but it is a job, not playtime, and that comes with its set own of rules and stuff.

There are good things about it though:

• Someone is trolling your favorite forum? No need to report and wait for an ISD, just take care of it yourself.
• Staying in touch and chitchat with notable CCP figures, like CCP Phantom and CCP Falcon.
• Being taken more seriously when you post advice and facts (e.g. "go file a support ticket"). This of course comes with the limitation that opinionated stuff is not allowed.
• Working witha cool bunch of volunteers both inside CCL and in ISD in general.
• Small fun perks, like my eye and arm.
• Participating in various privileged events and meetings, some public like the ISD visits to newbie systems this new year, some less public.
• The satisfaction of directly contributing to making Eve better.
• Being in a super secret club is a reward in and of itself!

There's more stuff, but I'll stop rambling here. Suffice it to say, I don't know any ISD who regrets doing what they do, though some might want back the sanity that has been chipped away over time.

Ed: and yes, Eshtir is not the "head recruiting guy" so much as the "head guy" or Vice Admiral. My bad.

The topic doesn't matter the same NPC alts that were reported and lead to a thread lock instead of removing the people doing the threadshitting will happen again. The ISD's job would be easier if they got rid of the NPC alts.

There's a gap between what people believe ISD know/can do, and what we actually know/can do. We cannot ban, mute or warn posters, no matter how awfully the rules are being broken. The only ones who can do that are the CCP Community Team (and some other CCPers). They only do that if their own review of the situation results in a conclusion that the ban is deserved.

Because most of the moderation is done by us ISD instead of CCP, it falls to us to bring problem posters to CCP's attention. The issue comes in at the point where we cannot reliably know someone is being problematic unless we have to moderate that one person over and over. All the "we"s are misleading though -- there is no central system to know how much trouble anyone has caused. At best, that is accomplished by talking to each other.

Suppose a troll opens a troll thread, and it gets closed by me. Then he opens another one, and it gets closed by Ezwal. He continues opening threads which get successively closed by Dorrim, Tyrozan, and Flidais. From an all-encompassing viewpoint, he is clearly problematic and needs to be brought to CCP's attention. However, since each ISD only saw him once, we might all just pass him off as "eh, someone who was just having a spot of fun, whatever". It's just a matter of too much going on. Past a certain point, only the super flagrant stuff we individually notice stands out, while the rest is just white noise.

We do not assume good intent, but we don't assume bad intent either. If you think something is being overlooked and there's more to the issue than appears from just the post, please report it and mention relevant details.

Oh, and please don't put forum links in reports. The report system cuts off the rest of the report after "default.aspx?" for some reason. If you must mention a link, please pass it through a shortener like http://bit.ly . Thanks!

The wishlist for moderation tools is pretty long, but low priority. In the meantime, we manage with what we've got, and with what info our awesome forum users can help with.

I believe you're underestimating the amount of these mails that would be flying about if we were to do this.